what do you think of homosexuality?

[unofficial freshy]

Originally Posted by YouDontKnowMe i think your all going abit over the top just leave this girl alone let her think what she wants right?

i was thinkin of leavin her alone........ ur 'location' thing got my attention

[Rab C Nesbit]

Quite a huge thread...
So I'm going to do a huge reply...

Disclaimer: I know I don't follow a religion... and I hope I'm not preaching.
I just dislike people who act holier-than-thou when they, themselves, need to fix up.

Originally Posted by Silia--x "Since God condemns homosexuality, then we have to believe that a man or a woman with homosexual feelings is expected to behave like any other human being and follows God's laws if he/she truely believes in them. He/she shall resist his/her feelings , maintains abstinence , use all available resources of help including medical, social and behavioral therapies to overcome their behavior and feelings. They should pray to God to help them getting over it and submit to God's law that sees homosexuality as gross sin. Only those who steadfastly persevere in obeying God's law will they pass their test and confirm their submission to God."

Let's put all the gay fuckers through shock therapy.

Silia, ok, so God said that homosexuality's wrong.
Why?
What are the reasons?
I'd really like to know, it's one of the things on my list to look into, I've just not yet had the time...

Fair enough, if you want to follow your religion properly, then that's great.
But dismissing something just because your religion says is really lazy and ignorant.
It's like my argument about vegetarians... Those who are vegetarian because of their religion are so because they were told do... Those who choose not to eat meat because they've thought about it, and decided for themselves that they don't want to do it, I have more respect for, because they've actually thought about it and actively have done something.

If your religion tells you something, and you don't follow it, or you choose to interpret it in a different way - you're not following that religion.
You're making a new one.
There's a lot of Fake Muslims around, they go by the name of Moderates.

Silia, you say that you can control your feelings... to an extent I agree, but how would you say people should go about controlling themselves?

Medical therapies to overcome homosexuality?
What are these?

Those who think that you "develop" homosexuality due to your surroundings should have a look at the male communities in the Middle Eastern and South Asian countries.
These communities practise segregation... So, we have men mixing with men, and women mixing with women.
There's no release.
So, naturally, they start "mixing" with their own sex.

So, by trying to avoid free mixing, these communities end up with homosexuals.
A bit of a set back for these religions/cultures, right?

i can judge people who are doing wrong end of now stop writing in this thread if you think im being rude end of

Ok, I'm not sure if this is correct 'cause my English Qur'an is at home, but Google tells me that Surah Al-An'am is the chapter where it says something along the lines of "Who other than Allah can judge"
I'll say it again, I'm not sure if this is the correct Surah, and that Ayah is just what I remember... If it's wrong, someone please correct me...

So anyways, what I'm trying to say is, no Silia, Allah said that no one else can act as a judge...
Who's to know whether a person who does tilawat all day will receive more Sawab than the person who goes about their normal day being friendly?

Muslims should remember that they only should worry about their own deeds.
They will not be accountable for what their family did, or anyone else.
You will carry your own burden.
... So, the phrase "To each his own" comes to mind.

Don't worry yourself about what others may or may not choose to do...
Your religion tells you to think of your own actions and thoughts.

Having said all of that, I am all for exploring sexuality...
To me, Sex seems to be how people project their latent thoughts/worries/desires etc...
We should look into it more, rather than rejecting everything that isn't the "proper" way.

Sex isn't there just for Genital Gratification...
Its purpose is much more deep than that.
So, if you can find what you're looking for by offering your arse to another man, then why stop yourself?

The whole Self Restriction and Temptation Culture has to go...
You're setting yourself up for a whole load of temptation if you forbid yourself.

[Maya]

Surah Al-Anam reminds us to avoid evil and makes it clear that no person earns sin except for themselves. However, I'm pretty sure this surah also makes reference to the fact that whilst we are not responsible for other people's sins and we certainly won't be held accountable for them, our duty as one muslim to another is to remind them of what is and isn't permissable. There is a big difference between judging someone and pointing out that the 'act' they are doing/participating in is contravening the teachings of Islam... so to speak.

I think Zero made this point already...

[Zero]

Originally Posted by unofficial freshy i think u'l find it means they are minding their own business.... if u beg 2 differ, then put both our statements 2 those concerned n u'l see wht it means

Minding one's own business is fine for some people and it really depends on the situation at hand and why you are minding your own.

[Rab C Nesbit]

Originally Posted by Maya Surah Al-Anam reminds us to avoid evil and makes it clear that no person earns sin except for themselves. However, I'm pretty sure this surah also makes reference to the fact that whilst we are not responsible for other people's sins and we certainly won't be held accountable for them, our duty as one muslim to another is to remind them of what is and isn't permissable. There is a big difference between judging someone and pointing out that the 'act' they are doing/participating in is contravening the teachings of Islam... so to speak. I think Zero made this point already...

Oops

To be honest, after reading some of the uber crap on here, I just couldn't be bothered to actually take in the posts after the second page...

[YouDontKnowMe]

Originally Posted by unofficial freshy i was thinkin of leavin her alone........ ur 'location' thing got my attention

lol haha

but really let his silia thinkk what ever she wants

cant do much about it its her opinion

and diva2620 when you said rude and ignorant thats true but whats the point arguing over this girl

like for example talibans their they think its okay to shoot people because there not muslims!

let her say what she wants

[.Prizzle.]

I have no problem with homosexuality! as mentioned before, they are the same as any other human so why should they be treated differently...

at the end of the day not everyone is attracted to the same thing, whether that is in terms of sexual prefrence or what we like to eat or what music we listen to.

[Rab C Nesbit]

Originally Posted by YouDontKnowMe lol haha but really let his silia thinkk what ever she wants cant do much about it its her opinion and diva2620 when you said rude and ignorant thats true but whats the point arguing over this girl like for example talibans their they think its okay to shoot people because there not muslims! let her say what she wants

I'm sure there's a verse in the Qur'an that talks about battle, and says something along the lines of if you've told them about Islam and they still don't accept it, smite them.
I can't remember which Chapter, I shall have to peruse through my Book... If anyone does know the verse I'm on about, please could you correct me, or add to it?

Anyways, The Taliban seem to be following that Chapter and that Chapter only...

[mindstate]

i fucking hate fags

god hates gay people

case closed

[unofficial freshy]

Originally Posted by Zero Minding one's own business is fine for some people and it really depends on the situation at hand and why you are minding your own.

if it makes u a third party then u shud mind ur own business.... we'v all had a third person getting involved in things (dsnt neccessarily mean relationships) wen we dont want them 2 so we shudnt do it 2 others either

[Rab C Nesbit]

Mindstate, dude...

That's a belief.

I believe that God doesn't hate or punish.

[~Fire-Hazard~]

I'm ok with it, providing there is no PDA's done in front of me. Same goes for straight people!

[unofficial freshy]

u sound like an aunty by sayin tht

[Zero]

Originally Posted by unofficial freshy if it makes u a third party then u shud mind ur own business.... we'v all had a third person getting involved in things (dsnt neccessarily mean relationships) wen we dont want them 2 so we shudnt do it 2 others either

Not really, everyone has opinions and I dont call for "gays to be persecuted" or whatever so I'm not a third party. Neither do most muslims. But if someone wants my opinion I'm not gonna hold back.

[Scrooge]

I think a simple factor needs to be looked at and considered and it links with another thread I made, 'who determines what is right and what is wrong'? Yeah, some will say, we ourselves are the ones who can determine right and wrong... can we? Globally, what can all humans agree upon, that is right and wrong? Some of us think paedophillia is wrong, yet groups in Holland are backing Paedophillia groups to be accepted. Different countries have different age limits on when a youngster can have sex, some say 16, some say 14, whats right, whats wrong?
Governments are out there to determine whats right or wrong and dictate to the rest of society what is acceptable nd whats not acceptable... For example, Booze is acceptable, drink too much of it and it becomes unacceptable, coz then it can lead to crime, anti social behaviour etc. Look at Britain today, it is a BROKEN Society, coz people are left to decide what is right and wrong. A perfect example of this right and wrong is, the farmer who shot a burglar in his own home? was the farmer right or wrong?
Remeber a decade and a bit ago, Homos wernt even accepted in society, they were frowned upon, whats to say in a decades time Paedos wont be accepted?
There is nothing, globally, people can agree upon, if summit is right or wrong as a whole. Humans cannot decide on what is right and wrong, coz collectively, not everyone agrees upon what is right and wrong. Its not possible.

So who can say what is right and wrong?

''As limited as we humans are, we need to seek from a higher source of knowledge. If the argument was that the first human's decided whats right or wrong, or the first clever government after the signing of the magna carta, decided what whas good and bad, then surely there would've been biased rules? The only place to look for real right and wrong is from God himself. And don't say God and religion are two different things. To believe in God, you believe in a religion. Because religion is what God wanted you to do. And how do you know what God wants you to do? By that funny little feeling in your little toe or that scratching at the tip of your nose? I think not...''
^^ quoted by Zero in another thread, which sums it up nicely.

U cant be left to your own devices to think of what is right and wrong, coz we are not perfect. So obviously we would have to take what is right or wrong from a perfect unlimited source. Until uv got to grasps with this whole right or wrong issue, who determines what is right or wrong, 'Humans or God', then u can really answer this question of 'is homosexuality, right or wrong. Not just with Homosexuality, but with all matters and aspect of life. But sayin all that, U'd need to go into the whole proof of creator and stuff, to actually believe if there is a god. If there is a god, then ud follow god message. All it requires is a bit of thinking, sure u bright people can manage that.

As to the whole 'judging', i see it used by many muslims. 'oh who are u to judge me' 'only allah can judge' nd this will be the response to someone who has probably told them about islam or given them a bit of advice. These people who use that as a get out clause are usually the ones who have egos the size of there ball bags or simply love the way they are living, even though its complelty contradictory to islam.

Alot of muslims have picked up on Kufr traits, this homo business being one of them. When taking the shahada, a muslim is submittin him/herself to allah swt, What a muslim does from there on in, is following the quran and sunnah to the best of there ability and staying in the Boundaries of Islam. U love what Allah loves and hate what allah hates and do it in accordance to quran and sunnah.