Sarkozy speaks out against burka

[mani]

extremely dangerous precedence being set here by france

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has spoken out strongly against the wearing of the burka by Muslim women in France. In a major policy speech, he said the burka - a garment covering women from head to toe - reduced them to servitude and undermined their dignity. Mr Sarkozy also gave his backing to the establishment of a parliamentary commission to look at whether to ban the wearing of burkas in public. In 2004, France banned the Islamic headscarves in its state schools. "We cannot accept to have in our country women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity," Mr Sarkozy told a special session of parliament in Versailles. "That is not the idea that the French republic has of women's dignity. "The burka is not a sign of religion, it is a sign of subservience. It will not be welcome on the territory of the French republic," the French president said. But he stressed that France "must not fight the wrong battle", saying that "the Muslim religion must be respected as much as other religions" in the country.

Members of the French government have been divided over the issue. The immigration minister, Eric Besson, has said a full ban will only "create tensions" while the junior minister for human rights, Rama Yade, said she would accept a ban if it was aimed at protecting women forced to wear the burka. France's official Muslim council has criticised the debate. "To raise the subject like this, via a parliamentary committee, is a way of stigmatising Islam and the Muslims of France," said Mohammed Moussaoui, head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion. France is home to about five million Muslims.

[Scrooge]

Another atack on Islamic values.

Apparently the growth of muslim women in france who have adopted the burka is because of 'Radicalism', typical media, putting there spin on it, maybe the muslim woman WANTS to wear the burka, has that never crossed there mind?

Any muslim who wants to practice islam to its fullest, is labelled 'extremist', 'Radical'. The muslim woman wants to adopt the burka/hijab, shes lablled 'oppressed', 'Backwards'. LMAO and they say, muslims try to enforce islam on people, yet what are the secularist west doing to muslims?

Another attack on Islam, yet as muslims we still dont stand up nd speak.

The hijab is already banned in France nd by the looks of it, wont be long before the burka is banned, how long before the atack on the burka arrives on these shores? I remeber when the Hijab was banned in France, Muslims here were saying, that it wouldnt dare be brought up here, yet, Jack Straw, Ruth Kelly and Cherie Blair had digs at the hijab and were portraying the hijab as 'oppressive'.

These attacks are nothing new, lets see, in the last few years:
The prophet pbuh has been portrayed as a terrorist/paedophile by the media.
Cartoons of the Prophet pbuh in the name of 'Freedom of expression', but a couple of placards being waved around is 'glorification of terrorism'.
Veil/Hijab attacked by MPs
Stop nd Search, Which muslims have to accept coz they are the ones most likely to commit a 'terrorist' attack... Never mind the thousands of rapists, murderers, Paedos, walking the streets.
Early morning raids - In which 90% of the time, the muslims detained are set free with no EVIDENCE!
Muslim parents told to spy on there own children - If they start to attend mosque reguarly or grow a beard, they should be snitched on to the authorities.
Universities told to spy on Muslim Students, Juma khutbahs in ISOCS to be monitored.
Tags bein associated with muslims 'moderates' 'extremists' 'terrorists' 'radicals' 'islamists' WTF!
Attacks on the shariah law - made to look barbaric and backwards.

Almost every aspect of islam is being attacked, yet muslims still dont think its a war on islam.

Then on a larger world scale - Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Chechnya, Somalia, Kashmir, Mid East ALL of which are muslim countries, there is some sort of unrest/war going on nd every single one of them rulers of them countries are supported by western governments or a western country is in them countries, spreading 'democracy'.

[Guji-Ji]

^^The Hijab was banned in schools, not generally. Not that it's right. Just pointing out the fact.

I don't agree with Stop and Search generally because I don't think it's very likely you'll catch anyone but how you going to stop and search a rapist? What they gonna have on them? I mean paedos and druggies and all that do get raided if they have the info so I don't think you can put them in the same category.

And I can't agree with how lots of Muslims reacted in the face of the cartoons. They made us look worse. Sure they were despicable cartoons but to say 'The West's 9/11 will come' or something to that effect? You really going to defend that?

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by Guji-Ji ^^The Hijab was banned in schools, not generally. Not that it's right. Just pointing out the fact. I don't agree with Stop and Search generally because I don't think it's very likely you'll catch anyone but how you going to stop and search a rapist? What they gonna have on them? I mean paedos and druggies and all that do get raided if they have the info so I don't think you can put them in the same category. The point i was trying to get across is that, it is mainly Muslims who are stopped and searched, singling out one community. The other thing being, why wasste all that time on stop nd search when thye could be targetting other serious crimes, instead of stopping people on 'suspicion' nd not 'evidence'. And I can't agree with how lots of Muslims reacted in the face of the cartoons. They made us look worse. Sure they were despicable cartoons but to say 'The West's 9/11 will come' or something to that effect? You really going to defend that?

Right or Wrong, i was merely pointing a contradiction in the system. How is drawing pictures of the Prophet pbuh allowed, in the name of Freedom, when it insults over 1.6 billion muslims across the globe, but some dudes waving a placard, is brought down with terrorism acts, EVEN though it was his way of Expressing his freedom? understand?

[Guji-Ji]

The point i was trying to get across is that, it is mainly Muslims who are stopped and searched, singling out one community. The other thing being, why wasste all that time on stop nd search when thye could be targetting other serious crimes, instead of stopping people on 'suspicion' nd not 'evidence'.

That's why I said I don't agree with stop and search...

Right or Wrong, i was merely pointing a contradiction in the system. How is drawing pictures of the Prophet pbuh allowed, in the name of Freedom, when it insults over 1.6 billion muslims across the globe, but some dudes waving a placard, is brought down with terrorism acts, EVEN though it was his way of Expressing his freedom? understand?

Yeah I understand but you have to understand the eyes of the world are on us to see how we'll react and the way some of us reacted just made us look much worse. The Prophet pbuh has been insulted from the beginning. You just have to know the right way to act about it.

[Scrooge]

What is the right way to go about it then?

[Guji-Ji]

Originally Posted by Scrooge What is the right way to go about it then?

There would have been nothing wrong with the protesting if the messages weren't so disgusting. It's all about being aware of how you're going to be percieved and trying to put out the best possible response while at the same time showing your disgust at what your protesting against.

[mani]

i think its a bit of a generalisation when you say its mainly muslims who are stopped and searched.

how can a cop on a 5 second window decide that a hindu guy who has no distinctive markings is a muslim? they're all brown. ethnic minorities - blacks included in general get stopped alot more that i can agree with - to say its mostly muslims would be a huge generalisation that would be incredibly hard to prove. the police dont even ask religion when it comes to stop and searches.

the brit govt naturally feels the biggest threat at the mo is from muslims with regards to terrorism so hence the figures will reflect that.

there's no point in stopping white folks just for the sake of balancing the stats Police carrying out stop and search 'just for statistics' - Telegraph

[$xy $onz]

1st hijab gets bannd n now it will b burka wats nxd no shalwar kameez

who r dey 2 stop ppl being propa religious if dey are happy being fully coverd wats nx mans problem gay bastard

[mani]

to be fair they dont allow any christian symbols in the schools either

[mindstate]

[$xy $onz]

manj its not jus a symbol its a way of a muslim practicing der religion u cnt practice ur religion if ur half naked but u can as a cristians cuz dey dnt really care

[datbrwneyedgal]

Originally Posted by Scrooge Right or Wrong, i was merely pointing a contradiction in the system. How is drawing pictures of the Prophet pbuh allowed, in the name of Freedom, when it insults over 1.6 billion muslims across the globe, but some dudes waving a placard, is brought down with terrorism acts, EVEN though it was his way of Expressing his freedom? understand?

yeah other religions are insulted but they don't over hype.I know it because of passion and stuff but its not justified.

[datbrwneyedgal]

It is also double standard no nuns are told to ditch their veils.BUT all these things do not mean that the burkha is oppressing and forced upon.

[Rab C Nesbit]

When did Shalwar Kameez become a religious item of clothing?