CnC - Rant

ok, as you all know i play with USA, but lately, i have seen that it is not really fair. not basically because of the structure of it but, more because of what they can and can't do, and what they come up against.

my first point is money: GLA and China can gain constant income, every single second of the game as soon as they get a black market or internet cafe, there money can become endless if they wish. USA however, have to wait certain amount of time before their load comes in, and its only i think $2500 at a time?

but my main issue is with the rules that we play. GLA have buggies (can take out USA defence with no problems. too many times i have come up with the problems of, if they have 7 buggies, i lose. ther range is too long. they also have scuds, everyone knowns the damage that they can do. bang busses also, they are so damn strong ! and they can take out a army anytime you want.

China have nuke cannons, they are the shit, and if you are nuke, and you do the nuke upgrade, there migs and nuke cannons are amazing. and don't forget the overlords. T buzzes when they go 3star gen and they have red cannons, because they do the shit ! lol

however, you all seem to limit auroras? why? they have nothing as it is. humvees are weak, laser tanks cant do anything against rocket men, there planes ain't all that on normal. i don't think auroras should be taken out of the game at all, because if that is the case, i say take out scuds and overloads aswell. that is fair right? fine you take out demos, but they have so much apart from that.

i play 3o3 with T and Kayz, and half the time i feel i dont do anything, lol i get a couple of avengers out, and thats it, they do the shit, lol i just sit back and enjoy, because attack wise, i cannot do anything.

this is now leading me to learn the game all over again, with GLA. however, its going to be boring when EVERYONE turns to GLA (Vash and Pliskin already have), or i may even start to become USA AFG more now.

rant over. please comment where you wish. we need to play again sometime by the way.

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Originally Posted by Rizolicious

ok, as you all know i play with USA, but lately, i have seen that it is not really fair. not basically because of the structure of it but, more because of what they can and can't do, and what they come up against.

my first point is money: GLA and China can gain constant income, every single second of the game as soon as they get a black market or internet cafe, there money can become endless if they wish. USA however, have to wait certain amount of time before their load comes in, and its only i think $2500 at a time?
Even though US money comes in after regular periods of time you get supply drops in big lump sum compared to the chinese $5 every five seconds or with black market $20 every five seconds. So it works out to be even. The reason why you don't see enough of your money is because you don't build your supply drops strategically and enough of it. So all in all it works out to be the same in the end just your order of money making cheme is not in order.

but my main issue is with the rules that we play. GLA have buggies (can take out USA defence with no problems. too many times i have come up with the problems of, if they have 7 buggies, i lose. ther range is too long. they also have scuds, everyone knowns the damage that they can do. bang busses also, they are so damn strong ! and they can take out a army anytime you want.

China have nuke cannons, they are the shit, and if you are nuke, and you do the nuke upgrade, there migs and nuke cannons are amazing. and don't forget the overlords. T buzzes when they go 3star gen and they have red cannons, because they do the shit ! lol Two words:
Don't test! :Q

however, you all seem to limit auroras? why? they have nothing as it is. humvees are weak, laser tanks cant do anything against rocket men, there planes ain't all that on normal. i don't think auroras should be taken out of the game at all, because if that is the case, i say take out scuds and overloads aswell. that is fair right? fine you take out demos, but they have so much apart from that.
Hmm that is true I think we shud either reinstate auroras in our games then.

i play 3o3 with T and Kayz, and half the time i feel i dont do anything, lol i get a couple of avengers out, and thats it, they do the shit, lol i just sit back and enjoy, because attack wise, i cannot do anything.
But you must not forget that this game is about strategy, it is always not about who has the most firepower but who can use a cunning plan to take out the enemy strategically, that is where the true art of the game lies, if you can master that or at least get grips with it then you will go a long way.

this is now leading me to learn the game all over again, with GLA. however, its going to be boring when EVERYONE turns to GLA (Vash and Pliskin already have), or i may even start to become USA AFG more now.

rant over. please comment where you wish. we need to play again sometime by the way.

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Read within your quote above.

i don't think that with the money at all. one time i built 10 supply drop zones. at the start its fine, because you you the microwave tank, and money comes straight away. however, when that is done, your money is slow. the other 2 have strong income.

now put this on a map like we always play. i cant remember the name but there are 2 oil derricks on the left and right side, and then middle. you and kayz normally take it, and on top of your normal income, you getting that aswell. that is where it becomes difficult for USA.

it's hard for a strategy because nowadays, with everyone learning GLA, and you being a pert on china, its too difficult. USA defence is too easy to take out. even if i was AFG it would be hard because they dont compare to gattling cannons, and even the quad cannons? lol it seems like no matter which way you fight, you will always get done.

the only way i seem to resolve it is to come in with restrictions.

i.e. 2 Overloads at a time, 1 Nuke
3 scuds, 2 battle bus, 3 buggies

that kinda thing.

remember previously, you were saying to kayz how he only wins with scuds. but it just seems to be a battle of doing the same thing pretty much now. everyone known how to take out USA.

with china, there defence is descent, because bunkers are the shit. men against tanks, men would always win. - there isnt a strategy for USA apart from survive, for as long as you can? but in the end, they will always get taken out?

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Originally Posted by Rizolicious

i don't think that with the money at all. one time i built 10 supply drop zones. at the start its fine, because you you the microwave tank, and money comes straight away. however, when that is done, your money is slow. the other 2 have strong income.

now put this on a map like we always play. i cant remember the name but there are 2 oil derricks on the left and right side, and then middle. you and kayz normally take it, and on top of your normal income, you getting that aswell. that is where it becomes difficult for USA.

it's hard for a strategy because nowadays, with everyone learning GLA, and you being a pert on china, its too difficult. USA defence is too easy to take out. even if i was AFG it would be hard because they dont compare to gattling cannons, and even the quad cannons? lol it seems like no matter which way you fight, you will always get done.

the only way i seem to resolve it is to come in with restrictions.

i.e. 2 Overloads at a time, 1 Nuke
3 scuds, 2 battle bus, 3 buggies

that kinda thing.

remember previously, you were saying to kayz how he only wins with scuds. but it just seems to be a battle of doing the same thing pretty much now. everyone known how to take out USA.

with china, there defence is descent, because bunkers are the shit. men against tanks, men would always win. - there isnt a strategy for USA apart from survive, for as long as you can? but in the end, they will always get taken out?

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Tell you what Ill play as USA from now on and leme see how we can improve your situation and once it is improved I can go back to the chinese.

you know what Riz ur right and so is T.. and i think i will play usa now also actually ive been stuck with GLA.. so from now on imma be USA and see how fast i can expand..

Also as for restrictions 2 humvs and 2 crime buses and 3 scuds i think thats a bad idea everything should be unlimited.. But i agree GLA have no restrictions etc and USA has.. its lame to be honest.. i think this rule came because people on the servers play it a lot and they notice the aurora's are untouchable.. if you make enough aurora's you can take the enemy base out in one flight for real.. its like flying SW's with round two on them..

But i think we should allow aurora's i think it only seems fair.. and ive seen aurora get taken down.. but you need loads of quads and anti laser..

I say from now on we allow aurora's?

Also another thing.. in css what makes me angry is people restrict the awp the sniper on servers or two per team.. thats lame.. seriously lame.. the game was made like this so why modify something the experts have made fully knowing things are suppose to be fun and fair? When i cant buy awp i get a bit angry and the fun is taken out as others buy it before me.. the AWP is part of the game and is part of a real life simulation also..

So.. you know what i say? I say we play cnc like this also.. we allow everything including SW's for real.. no joke.. what u guys say? So we allow everything.. no restrictions.. and also maybe SWG?

I think you should be Nuke General like me :)

i dont think SW would be allowed, but try USA. maybe, its me, im doing something wrong,
but i've been with USA along time now and, there is only so much they can do. the other teams are equipped to deal with anything.

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Originally Posted by Kayz

you know what Riz ur right and so is T.. and i think i will play usa now also actually ive been stuck with GLA.. so from now on imma be USA and see how fast i can expand..

Also as for restrictions 2 humvs and 2 crime buses and 3 scuds i think thats a bad idea everything should be unlimited.. But i agree GLA have no restrictions etc and USA has.. its lame to be honest.. i think this rule came because people on the servers play it a lot and they notice the aurora's are untouchable.. if you make enough aurora's you can take the enemy base out in one flight for real.. its like flying SW's with round two on them..

But i think we should allow aurora's i think it only seems fair.. and ive seen aurora get taken down.. but you need loads of quads and anti laser..

I say from now on we allow aurora's?

Also another thing.. in css what makes me angry is people restrict the awp the sniper on servers or two per team.. thats lame.. seriously lame.. the game was made like this so why modify something the experts have made fully knowing things are suppose to be fun and fair? When i cant buy awp i get a bit angry and the fun is taken out as others buy it before me.. the AWP is part of the game and is part of a real life simulation also..

So.. you know what i say? I say we play cnc like this also.. we allow everything including SW's for real.. no joke.. what u guys say? So we allow everything.. no restrictions.. and also maybe SWG?

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In that case we should limit SW to one SW per team seeing as GLA can make unsurmountable amount of money, you could make 10 SWs and still have money to spare unlike any other army.

I don't think SWG should be considered though as they are literally impenetrable.

Are we having a game tonight?

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Originally Posted by Rizolicious

ok, as you all know i play with USA, but lately, i have seen that it is not really fair. not basically because of the structure of it but, more because of what they can and can't do, and what they come up against.

my first point is money: GLA and China can gain constant income, every single second of the game as soon as they get a black market or internet cafe, there money can become endless if they wish. USA however, have to wait certain amount of time before their load comes in, and its only i think $2500 at a time?

I think that when the plane does come to your base to give extra income, it will more than enough as if you add up the $20 bills blackies make or $5-$10 bills hackers make it will more or less be equal all round provided you make lots n lots of these supply drops not just a handful. Im talkin about 10 at least.

but my main issue is with the rules that we play. GLA have buggies (can take out USA defence with no problems. too many times i have come up with the problems of, if they have 7 buggies, i lose. ther range is too long. they also have scuds, everyone knowns the damage that they can do. bang busses also, they are so damn strong ! and they can take out a army anytime you want.

Buggies for me isn't really an issue, to avoid getting raped with buggies, take out the gla tunnels thats nearest to your defence. Kayz will agree that he had to change his strategy when I took out his tunnels so he had to take the long route of bringin an army. This would probably change the opponents mind and stop makin buggies.

China have nuke cannons, they are the shit, and if you are nuke, and you do the nuke upgrade, there migs and nuke cannons are amazing. and don't forget the overlords. T buzzes when they go 3star gen and they have red cannons, because they do the shit ! lol

Its true once the overlord comes out and they're in groups its over, but with GLA, loads of scorpions or even school busses can take care of that, just take out the one with the speaker tower and you're okay. ECM's are futile as they can only stop some rockets not all.

however, you all seem to limit auroras? why? they have nothing as it is. humvees are weak, laser tanks cant do anything against rocket men, there planes ain't all that on normal. i don't think auroras should be taken out of the game at all, because if that is the case, i say take out scuds and overloads aswell. that is fair right? fine you take out demos, but they have so much apart from that.

I agree auroras should be allowed. But they're fuckin deadly, you gotta love them, sit back and watch them destroy your base then when they reduce speed you can then destroy them. An AFG player would cum in his pants if he had shitloads of auroras ~)

i play 3o3 with T and Kayz, and half the time i feel i dont do anything, lol i get a couple of avengers out, and thats it, they do the shit, lol i just sit back and enjoy, because attack wise, i cannot do anything.

this is now leading me to learn the game all over again, with GLA. however, its going to be boring when EVERYONE turns to GLA (Vash and Pliskin already have), or i may even start to become USA AFG more now.

rant over. please comment where you wish. we need to play again sometime by the way.

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Reason I chose GLA is because they're versatile, cheap, always makin that dollar no matter what. lol. ~)

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Originally Posted by Rizolicious

i don't think that with the money at all. one time i built 10 supply drop zones. at the start its fine, because you you the microwave tank, and money comes straight away. however, when that is done, your money is slow. the other 2 have strong income.

now put this on a map like we always play. i cant remember the name but there are 2 oil derricks on the left and right side, and then middle. you and kayz normally take it, and on top of your normal income, you getting that aswell. that is where it becomes difficult for USA.

it's hard for a strategy because nowadays, with everyone learning GLA, and you being a pert on china, its too difficult. USA defence is too easy to take out. even if i was AFG it would be hard because they dont compare to gattling cannons, and even the quad cannons? lol it seems like no matter which way you fight, you will always get done.

the only way i seem to resolve it is to come in with restrictions.

i.e. 2 Overloads at a time, 1 Nuke
3 scuds, 2 battle bus, 3 buggies

seems unfair but i see your point.

that kinda thing.

remember previously, you were saying to kayz how he only wins with scuds. but it just seems to be a battle of doing the same thing pretty much now. everyone known how to take out USA.

with china, there defence is descent, because bunkers are the shit. men against tanks, men would always win. - there isnt a strategy for USA apart from survive, for as long as you can? but in the end, they will always get taken out?

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imo i think you should stop being vanilla usa and be laser.. laser defence is the shit. it will take at least 2-3 scuds to take out one laser turret. but laser needs shitloads of energy so you gotta be one step ahead of power. one important part of usa is the strategy centre.. get that up immediately after you built war factory.. thats the backbone of usa in a way. click all the features and use bombardment to go in and take out everythin. search and destroy if you want more range as well as see invisible shit. or hold the line for extra armor, better suited for AFG.

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Originally Posted by Kayz

you know what Riz ur right and so is T.. and i think i will play usa now also actually ive been stuck with GLA.. so from now on imma be USA and see how fast i can expand..

Also as for restrictions 2 humvs and 2 crime buses and 3 scuds i think thats a bad idea everything should be unlimited.. But i agree GLA have no restrictions etc and USA has.. its lame to be honest.. i think this rule came because people on the servers play it a lot and they notice the aurora's are untouchable.. if you make enough aurora's you can take the enemy base out in one flight for real.. its like flying SW's with round two on them..

But i think we should allow aurora's i think it only seems fair.. and ive seen aurora get taken down.. but you need loads of quads and anti laser..

I say from now on we allow aurora's?

Also another thing.. in css what makes me angry is people restrict the awp the sniper on servers or two per team.. thats lame.. seriously lame.. the game was made like this so why modify something the experts have made fully knowing things are suppose to be fun and fair? When i cant buy awp i get a bit angry and the fun is taken out as others buy it before me.. the AWP is part of the game and is part of a real life simulation also..

So.. you know what i say? I say we play cnc like this also.. we allow everything including SW's for real.. no joke.. what u guys say? So we allow everything.. no restrictions.. and also maybe SWG?

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I say everythin included in the game.. but limit sw's and db's.. if you look at how gamers play.. they play dirty.. they'll do anythin to win.

im sayin have

1 sw for china and gla
2 for usa as the particle cannon is shit.. i was hopin CnC makers would change the particle cannon to somethin like a a ground shakin sw.. like in independence day.. the beam hits the ground.. shakes a little and the radius of the shakage would destroy anythin. a bit like cnc reborn last stand.

Ive been GLA all the way.
Real world they say if you dominate the skies you dominate the battleground, pah my abdul noor sitting back on the quad will bring planes/copters down like a fly for jokes.

With china and usa the units are crap, you only win if you play tactical and mostly in dfense mode. and clear the enemys base by General promotion airstrikes, mother of all bombs, A-10s etc.

The mobs are funny in GLA they lethal trigger happy guys with moltov cocktails..taubah taubah