Why Don't / Why Do you believe in God?

[zanjeer]

You know I've noticed that whenever I ask you guys a simple, direct question which merely requires a one word answer.... you guys NEVER answer it, and instead you choose to ramble on (whilst trying your best to NOT answer the question).

Koi gal nai. I'm sure I'll get an answer out of you guys one day.

[Lucy]

Originally Posted by Maya Ok. I don't want to go off topic here but I really feel compelled to say this. My friends father wasn't so fortunate Lucy, his shop was regularly vandalised by local BNP members and if that wasn't bad enough, one night, they followed him home from the mosque after isha prayers and they beat the living day lights out of him. Before they urinated on his face, they told him this was just the start of their campaign against muslims in this country. He was 62 years old. He was so traumatised by what they did to him and the things they said as they were beating him that a few months after the attack he had a massive heart attack and died. Read between the lines here. Zanjeer is on an asian forum, specifically posting in these threads only, so would it not be fair to assume that perhaps a ploy of his might be to stir up hatred? Perhaps he is one of the nice ones though.

You misunderstood.

What am tryna say,tht zanjeers here to cause offence,and thts all he does,he doesnt post on the rest of the forum.We all know wat the BNP are about,yet even they werent tht blatant and ignorant,and tryna cause trouble or sed anythng to my dad or hs employees,yet zanjeer does,even wen everyones sed they dont care wat he has to say,he wont change their beliefs,he goes and makes long ass essays down talkn against religion.

Sorry for any offence caused,and sorry to hear about ur frends father.

[zanjeer]

Lucy, the prophet Muhammad said that if anyone leaves Islam then they should be killed.

This is why the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. That is what the Shariah states.


Can you tell me how I am being "offensive" by pointing this out? There are many TRUE Muslims out there who will say the exact same thing. Are they being "offensive" too?

Watch the ending of this video (from 6:00mins onward):

YouTube - Apostasy In Islam Carries The Death...

I'm not expecting you to answer my questions. Just keep rambling on if you want....

[Zero]

No wonder pakistan is going downhill. This thread speaks for itself. Look at the types of people the country produces.

Either ignorant people that do not know a shred of Islam that think they can pick out proofs from Quran and Hadith directly and use this as an argument that Islam is crap and shouldn't be followed.

Well of all those people that made Islam the biggest religion in the world today, well...we're obviously doing something wrong...I think its time to get in the know.

Or the complete opposite, those that mix things up and do things in the name of religion and put the rest of the Ummah in an awkward position.

Dark days as it were.

[mindstate]

zanjeer...if you feel that islam or any other religion is wrong

then what do you feel is right?

just enlighten me


and this better be good...

[zanjeer]

You know, I'm gonna take a little break from the Religion forum.

No doubt I'm gonna read some ridiculous replies and my fingers are gonna be itching to reply to them... but I'll try my best to resist.

I've said a lot and I think I've overwhelmed a lot of you. I should stop before you guys suffer from information overload.

I will be back though.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by mindstate zanjeer...if you feel that islam or any other religion is wrong then what do you feel is right? just enlighten me and this better be good...

Haha, dude. Let me say something that regards a lot of people in this thread.

There are two types of people that argue with respect to religion.

Those that argue to prove and those that argue to disprove.

Thats the way it is.

[Lucy]

Originally Posted by zanjeer Lucy, the prophet Muhammad said that if anyone leaves Islam then they should be killed. This is why the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. That is what the Shariah states. Can you tell me how I am being "offensive" by pointing this out? There are many TRUE Muslims out there who will say the exact same thing. Are they being "offensive" too? Watch the ending of this video (from 6:00mins onward): YouTube - Apostasy In Islam Carries The Death Penalty I'm not expecting you to answer my questions. Just keep rambling on if you want....

ok then tell me,why are YOU alive? Didnt u say u left islam,but how many people have told u tht ur gona burn in hell,and tht we should all stone u to death?

Have any of us sed tht to u? So why do u carry on and on and on telling us how bad islam is etc?

The countries ur talkn about,women cant even do simple stuff,like get an education at school,and thts a must for a muslim woman,so she can teach her kids,yet they arent allowed in those countries.

Theres women begging on the streets for money,coz they arent allowed to work. Yet here u are,telling us how u left islam bla bla,yeah,had u been in saudi,u wudnt have even been here making these posts,u too wud have been stoned to death,but over here ur alive and postn ur crap.

Dnt compare stuff from over there to here. Or you too wudnt be sat here.

[zanjeer]

Lemme just quickly reply to this because it was posted before I made my previous post:

Originally Posted by mindstate zanjeer...if you feel that islam or any other religion is wrong then what do you feel is right? just enlighten me and this better be good...

I've pretty much answered this question before.

When you ask me what I think is "right", then that is a vague question, ie it is a question to which I could give hundreds and thousands of replies too.

It's a bit like asking someone... "What do you like?" This question has numerous answers... eg I like chocolate, I like football, I like my X-Box, I like tigers, I like bhangra, I like Tesco, I like flying on Virgin Atlantic, I like Italy, I like the ocean, I like the sunset, I like keema samosas... etc etc etc. You can go on all day.

There are many things that I think are "right"... but I don't have a collective name for all of these "rights".

All of the things that Muhammad considered "right" or "wrong" are collectively known as "Islam"... but I can't give a name for all of the things that I consider "right".

I hope that made sense.

If you want to follow a religion, then you should agree and follow ALL of it.

But if you wanna pick and choose which parts of a religion to follow and which parts to reject, then this shows that you are not getting your morality from the religion, but you are getting it from elsewhere, ie your conscience.

So why don't we just cut out the middle-man and just use our conscience?


One more thing I gotta reply to:

Originally Posted by Lucy ok then tell me,why are YOU alive?

Why am I alive?

Because thankfully I live in a country in which Islamic law is not implemented!

Also, not many people know that I left Islam.




Ok I'm out. Talk amongst yourselves now.

[mindstate]

yea im gonna have to go ahead and give you an F for effort

[Lucy]

Why am I alive?

Because thankfully I live in a country in which Islamic law is not implemented!

Also, not many people know that I left Islam.




Ok I'm out. Talk amongst yourselves now. [/quote]

Yeah exactly

Some of those ppl who get stoned over there arent as lucky as u,coz they dont live in a western country. Then theres women over there who cant have an education even tho it does say they shud,so u cant blame religion on that one.

Not one person on the forum sed to that ur gona go to hell or called u a kaafir or anythng,yet all u have done is to try and offend as much ppl as possible.

Do you know a womans entitled to her vanity in islam too,as long as she doesnt do tht to attract men,she can wear all the makeup she wants,yet thers women who have been stoned to death coz they wore some.

The countries over there have abused wats sed about punishments,because men rule over there.

True theres some punishments that sound harsh,but what those countries have done is abuse that and hand out those and stoned and killed ppl, not coz of islam but coz of them been backwards and a place where men rule.

[Scrooge]

lets get summit clear... theres no islamic country around, just coz there is a vast majority of muslims in them countries does not make it a islamic country.

how can it be islamic, if the whole shariah is not implemented? some aspects of shariah may be applied, but the whole system is not in place.

dictators and kings ruling them muslim countries, not a khaleef.

as u are not gonna reply here no more zanjeer, maybe u'd like to take me up on my offer of a discussion via PM.

[DJ B4VVY]

That's not true, there are some Islamic countries.

[incredible]

Zanjeer if you want to meet me n have a discussion we can have that..in a mosque , gudwara, temple wherever dude.

Zanjeer what do you think of the fact that if a Sikh guy is wearing a turban and I by accident bump into him, and his turban drops off his head. he is allowed to kill me. Is that ok?

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by DJ B4VVY That's not true, there are some Islamic countries.

acha? where?

lets not look at countries who are 'sugar-coated' with the islamic label, just because they have muslims living there, islamic in the sense, the whole islamic ideology is in place... starting with the ruler, then with other aspects such as economic, social and so forth...