Today's Muslim

[Zero]

I found this on a weblog;

Since I lived all of my adulthood so far in the West, and had the chance to learn about the life style of the Arabs and Muslims who are living in the United States, I think I can safely declare that more than 95% of the Arabs and Muslims in the US are indeed hypocrites! They declare that they are "Muslims" with their mouths, but they have deserted Islam with their culture and ridiculous life style, and liberal beliefs. Allah Almighty is currently cursing them. The Muslims in the West are known to be more and more materialistic. They demand too much money when it comes to marriage, and they love to show off. They are also very disrespectful and despising to Islam, too ridiculously open to a point where many of the Muslim women wear inappropriate and too revealing cloths, and carry very dangerous liberal beliefs that contradict Islam in every way. They view Islam as something backward that must be fought, and they use the Taliban and other Muslim extremists as an excuse to their evil actions and life style that they adopted. The Talibans and the extremists from the Muslims who despise women and humanity in general, don't represent much of Islam, if they even represent Islam at all. But unfortunately today, if a Muslim doesn't have the "extremists" beliefs, then most likely in the West, he/she would be a hypocrite one; one who adopted the evil life style and liberal beliefs. So while I personally strongly disagree with the Muslim extremists and their life style, but I must admit that they are far better than the majority of those who are not. It is very difficult to find moderate Muslims today, even in the Muslim countries themselves, because I see everyday on my Arabic Satellite TV how the Arabs are becoming more and more Westernized in the negative way. They are too materialistic, and social morality is endangered. It is common these days to see "boy friends and girl friends" in the Arab world. It is common to hear about illegal sex. It is common to see inappropriate cloths being worn by both men and women. Even tattoos and men growing their hair; even beyond the shoulder level, are becoming normal in the Arab and Muslim world today! It wouldn't even surprise me if homosexuality is on the rise over there!

What do you make of that?

Agree or disagree?

Pay special note to the bits in red.

Discuss.

[shelim]

about the whole exteremist view thing...

i know many muslim who do not have teh extremist views and are practising muslims, america has been moulded so that everyone thinks alike and this is what makes them believe that if your not an extremist then your a hypocrite... how ignorant is that?

without knowing how people go about practising their religion they are maing a massive asumption about many muslims... as not everyone has the extremist views...

people will be people and only the all mighty can judge you on you actions so let people think what they like... end of the day, you personally know whether your dong right or wrong so it shouldnt make a difference about how or what people are thinking as you know that inshalah you wil have a spot waiting for you in jannah after this life...

agree? disagree?

will coment on this more when i can think of something more to write...

[Zero]

Yeh I agree with what you saying about those who don't practice extremeism aren't hypocrites.

But theres another question to be posed to the masses; which is worse ignorance or arrogance? Those two words are a big deal in seeking knowledge in one's religion. A lot of people I have seen (mainly pakistanis) are content in just listening to their parents and doing what their forefathers have done. Does the excuse of "I'll do it in my own time" suffice in this situation? Time is a'ticking... Hm. Its a tricky one.

[shelim]

well in that sense the answer is NO! because how much of "our own time can we guarantee?" i think both words are as powerful as each other... as above would be the example of ignorance and possibly, someone who is already practising could be arrogant by saying so and so about how they are practising and others are not..

possibly not the best of examples.. but only one i could think of for the moment....

oh another thing, aboutt eh doign what parents say and what doing what forefatehrs ahve done previously.. this isn't enough to get janaah, you gotta follow the rules as they are stated...

praying, fasting, spreading knowledge etc...

it all counts.. so culture is lawys going to clash with religion... i thnk how a lot asians are brought up is teh cultural islam ratehr than straight of the book islam

[Guji-Ji]

The weblog is mostly true. The red bits I agree with except for the bit of who is better... That isn't up to us to decide. However you lot are right in saying just because you aren't extreme doesn't mean your a hypocrite.

I've always said that the main problem with Muslims in this country(and the world) is the lack of education and lack of importance of Islam that is always reinforced by parents. As i've said before parents are willing to spend hundreds of quid on tuition and worldly things for there beloved children but for Islam they'll bung them in mosque for 2 hours a day and expect them to be good Muslims. It doesn't work like that. It's hard for kids to become good Muslims when there parents are after dunya and don't emphasise Islam enough... So yea.. I blame the parents.

[MR-BIG]

i agree, im on same wavelength as this guy

[Rab C Nesbit]

Moderate Muslims, I believe, are lying.
To themselves, to those around them, and to God.

But it could be that they were lied to...?

[Kayz]

That is very true.

Ive noticed this quite widley... however i still think the muslims in the UK are much better than those ive seen in other countries.. then again im just talking from what ive heard and seen through mediums and not in real life as ive never been to the US.

I have arab friends and turkish friends.. no offence to them but ive always thought the arab culture is suppose to lead the best example as muslims... infact they are the worst example... i think its the money that is corrupting them... ive also noticed the Turkish culture is also on a whirlwind like the arab culture and its all slowly spiraling out of control. I think the turks have become... infact they are secular if im correct? The arabs are becoming more secular i feel... but taking their time.

However every culture has its criticisms even my culture.. as nobody is perfect... Im just using the arab and turkish cultures for this discussion as it most applies and from that what ive seen for myself. Note not all arabs and turks are like that, its just the arab and turk mainstream which represent themselves like this.

[Scrooge]

theres no such thing as moderate or extremist muslim, these are just titles given by the media nd government. they come out with different slogans every week, wtf is an islamist?

alot of muslims are falling for these stupid slogans, as if the muslim communtiy isnt divided enough, now we labelling each other extremist/fundamentalist blah blah.

i agree with this webblog to a extent. what is a moderate muslim? a person who has adopted western/secular values. being muslim comes second, an example of moderate muslims are sellouts such as muslim MPs, lord nazir and co. keeps islam to a minimum, namaz nd probably jummah prayers.

extremist muslim: a person who is more islamically inclined to there 'moderate muslim' counterparts. the one who talks about a political islam, raises aware of issues that are effecting muslims across the globe, western foreign policy etc. someone who puts islam 1st nd not there personal benefits and self interest 1st.

tony blair famously said, a extremist is the one who calls for the elimination of isnotreal, calls for shariah nd the unity of all muslims, il find that quote nd post it up. if thats the case, then that would make me a extremist along with a big majortiy of muslims in the UK.

an extremist to the the western world is the muslim who folllows the book of allah and the sunnah of the prophet pbuh to the tee, taking on board the points which conflict western civilisation. any follower of the prophet pbuh is a extremist in there eyes and i challenge anyone on this board to prove me wrong nd say that is not true.

i strongly urge people to read the seerah of the prophet pbuh and u will all realise islam is not just about reading namaz 5 times a day and giving zakat.

[Rab C Nesbit]

Scrooge, would you, one day, like to see Britain following Shariah Law?

[Zero]

Originally Posted by Scrooge theres no such thing as moderate or extremist muslim, these are just titles given by the media nd government. they come out with different slogans every week, wtf is an islamist? alot of muslims are falling for these stupid slogans, as if the muslim communtiy isnt divided enough, now we labelling each other extremist/fundamentalist blah blah. i agree with this webblog to a extent. what is a moderate muslim? a person who has adopted western/secular values. being muslim comes second, an example of moderate muslims are sellouts such as muslim MPs, lord nazir and co. keeps islam to a minimum, namaz nd probably jummah prayers. extremist muslim: a person who is more islamically inclined to there 'moderate muslim' counterparts. the one who talks about a political islam, raises aware of issues that are effecting muslims across the globe, western foreign policy etc. someone who puts islam 1st nd not there personal benefits and self interest 1st. tony blair famously said, a extremist is the one who calls for the elimination of isnotreal, calls for shariah nd the unity of all muslims, il find that quote nd post it up. if thats the case, then that would make me a extremist along with a big majortiy of muslims in the UK. an extremist to the the western world is the muslim who folllows the book of allah and the sunnah of the prophet pbuh to the tee, taking on board the points which conflict western civilisation. any follower of the prophet pbuh is a extremist in there eyes and i challenge anyone on this board to prove me wrong nd say that is not true. i strongly urge people to read the seerah of the prophet pbuh and u will all realise islam is not just about reading namaz 5 times a day and giving zakat.

Interesting...

Your last paragraph; people are happy living in their own "shell" of Islam aint they? Anything out of the shell..."oh nai nai...hum sarehhhhhhh musulman heh..." .

[Kashmiri_Pakhtun]

Most of it I agree with.

Islam will go to how it started, as something strange - Hadeeth. The disinfo is regarding the Taliban. I don't blame the person, just another victim who has been programmed to accept half truths mixed with lies from the secular media. I'm Afghan so let me tell you how they started and what is left of them at this present day.

After the Russians were pushed out of Afghanistan, the country became engulfed in civil war. That civil war had 2 sides:-

-The atheists, socialists, communists, criminals amongst the Afghanis (who made up the Northern Aliance at one point). But in the past related to the Russian Mafia. They wanted to continue the enterprise of drugs also the industry of gambling, prostitution.

-Then you had the Muslims who wanted to follow the Qur'aan and Sunnah. They wanted to establish Islam. This group were known as the students, Talib or Taliban.

Now during this civil war; on one occasion the criminal Afghanis entered a village and raped the Women. And some of these women escaped and ran to the students, to seek protection. The Taliban got a Fatwa for there Sheikh. To allow them to find them and kill them as criminals. The Taliban gathered there weapons and they began to seek the honour of those women that were raped. And they went from town to town, village by village till they conquered all of Afghanistan in 2 YEARS except only 19%. Also they stabalised the country with security and safety. This is how they became famous all over Afghanistan, the news spread and won the Hearts of many Afghanis. And this is what the Taliban are famous for.

They had Noble Goals from the beginning. However as time went by, and more people joined the Taliban, not everyone was as sincere as the original organisers of the movement. According to the Taliban themselves, only 10% of the original Taliban are left at present. The others had been Shaheed.

So what you have now at present are a small number of Mujahideen who are waging a Guerilla War from the mountains. Inshallah victory will come, the same way victory came against the Russians, which took over a period of 25 years. Maybe this will take longer. They maybe poor, but they have honour and love for Allah inside there Hearts. Which unfortunately the majority of Muslims do not have.

Whenever Muslims became True and sincere Muslims and tried their best to accumulate the apparent means and equipments, victory always kissed their feet no matter how small their armies were in numbers and arms.

[Ridz]

The weblog is true but then i dont understand how a person can say so and so is a bad muslim because at the end of the day no1 knows what in their hearts except Allah.

A month or 2 back, i was watching channel 4 Shariah TV... (load of bollocks 2 b fair) but they were in America, n there this muslim women was like, Islam needs to be modernised because the laws etc are from the time of the Prophet S.A.W but they need to be changed to times of today. Shows what people are like over the world.

Also I think Zero mentioned that now a days people just do what their parents say or do what their forefathers do. Its so true, i was talking to one of my mates and he was telling me how one of his mates for eid have like these weird traditions etc that they do on eid night and eid morning which are against Islam. And also like how they won't fast if they cant be bothered etc. These are people who are in their 20/30's and have kids.

It makes me think that the world we live in now people r forgetting their religion etc but what will the world be like when we have kids who have kids? What will it b like then?

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by Rab C Nesbit Scrooge, would you, one day, like to see Britain following Shariah Law?

one day, MAYBE it could happen, but its not going to happen if there is no authority in the muslim world.
bring shariah back to the muslim lands before looking to anywhere else.

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by Zero Interesting... Your last paragraph; people are happy living in their own "shell" of Islam aint they? Anything out of the shell..."oh nai nai...hum sarehhhhhhh musulman heh..." .

people maybe living happy in there shell of islam, but i can promise u that there is more to islam then just the 5 pillars of islam. remeber the quran was revealed to the prophet pbuh for all of mankind, and with the quran and sunnah lies our solutions to world affairs.

lol islam did not spread from arabia, to the far east nd to spain, by the prophet pbuh confined to just the mosque. people are dumb to assume that islam is just a religion, when infact it is a ideology which is the saviour for mankind.

and the only way this ideology can take full effect is through a khilafah/caliphate.