Mayweather V PacMAN is ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**incredible** · 27-12-2009, 03:25

So let me get this right? is manny paquio agreeing to take a blood test 5 days prior to the fight and one day after? I thought it was 30 days prior?

**Scrooge** · 27-12-2009, 03:59

I said Mayweather was dodging the fight before, I still think he is. IF Manny was taking banned substances, it would still come up in blood results after the fight wouldnt it?

I like Mayweather, but recently every Interview the guy gives, he sounds like a bitch.

**incredible** · 27-12-2009, 04:49

Originally Posted by Scrooge

I said Mayweather was dodging the fight before, I still think he is. IF Manny was taking banned substances, it would still come up in blood results after the fight wouldnt it?

I like Mayweather, but recently every Interview the guy gives, he sounds like a bitch.

not necesserily..

I have said that I think Manny is/ has taken banned substances, just because of his wicked condition every time he gains weight etc. I dont know many people who can add pure lean muscle like that. yes some will argue weight manipulation, but to maintain strength, speed etc is a whole different ball game. My opinion is that he would have been taking compounds such as Growth hormone, maybe a little testosterone with it too. But I think Majority of world class athletes would be guilty of this.

Now I dont even know what the row is anymore. i was only told today that manny has agreed to have a blood test done 5 days prior to the fight and 1 day after. So I need someone to verify this. That being said. I honestly Dont think he will be taking any substances in that 5 days time frame! BUT it is Possible to do so! Short esthers and I am not even talking about propotinate....testosterrone suspension has a half life of matter of a few hours. I highly doubt it. There lots of ways around it with different compounds....I highly doubt he will... But it can be done to avoid detection times!

**Spider Pig** · 27-12-2009, 18:05

His weight increase hasn't really been that spectacular, what has been spectacular is the explosive power and speed he has maintained. his diet and gym trainer said he's making the maximum of his body because before he was cutting weight and now he's just filling the extra 10-15lbs he would cut with muscle mass which means he's maintained his explosiveness. he goes on to say amir khan has a similar physique but he's not able to push him to the limit because he doesn't know how much more his body is going to grow, they think he could be a strong lmw in the future.

**incredible** · 27-12-2009, 18:28

but can u tell me which compound will give u that in the ring?

**Spider Pig** · 27-12-2009, 18:51

I couldn't because they have more knowledge of what to use and how to use it properly, things that I don't even know about. I'm sure with his training regime and techniques he has improved without using illegal substances because I don't find his rise up the divisions too surprising simply because he was genetically gifted and has gradually moved up the weights as he's gotten older. Also with the fact that these guys used to cut weight it means they had the capacity to gain the extra muscle, the difference isn't too unbelievable.

Although saying I wouldn't be too surprised if he used something because in contact sports they put their bodies through so much shit I think they will need good recovery and healing products maybe they just take a little more of what's available and might go over the limit intake that's been given to them?

Either way we will never know, but I don't rule out either possibility.

**incredible** · 28-12-2009, 00:48

Originally Posted by Spider Pig

I couldn't because they have more knowledge of what to use and how to use it properly, things that I don't even know about. I'm sure with his training regime and techniques he has improved without using illegal substances because I don't find his rise up the divisions too surprising simply because he was genetically gifted and has gradually moved up the weights as he's gotten older. Also with the fact that these guys used to cut weight it means they had the capacity to gain the extra muscle, the difference isn't too unbelievable.

Although saying I wouldn't be too surprised if he used something because in contact sports they put their bodies through so much shit I think they will need good recovery and healing products maybe they just take a little more of what's available and might go over the limit intake that's been given to them?

Either way we will never know, but I don't rule out either possibility.

There isn't any compound actually that will increase punching power etc in the ring. Yes people are always going to have different opinions. I wouldnt be suprised if somebody came and said tren which is made from fina pellets and I dont even think there is any pharma grade available. infact I am 100% sure its only available UG labs. There are drugs such as dianabols, anadrol etc which is used soley for strength, but no body would be in the right state of mind to use something like that in a pro level boxing comp.... some idiots would think or believe that would be useful for brutal strength. But then my argument would be how could anybody train especially cardio based using such steroids? back pains, shin splints due to build up lactic acid, increased in water weight etc etc... it would just make it impossible to train on the level paciuo trains at! That being said I know for a fact that any pro level sportsman would have this knowledge or well informed.

You are correct though most drugs would be used for better recovery purposes. Also hgh, nandrolone, winny, var, tren would be a choise for majority of sportsman IMO.

**Spider Pig** · 28-12-2009, 01:17

you can have natural growth and punching power can carry, it does for some but doesn't for others i.e. it has for pacman but hasn't for marquez. but for pacman it's been mainly down to his speed and explosive power and he has fully grown into his frame where he isn't really cutting too much and only excess water weight so he's able to make the most of his genetics and physique which he wasn't before because he was cutting weight. He has moved on gradually too i.e. 4-7 lbs at a time, quite achievable because he hasn't just put on size, and explosive power for him is easier to achieve than just putting on size and mass. he's had 1 fight at 145lbs against de la hoya where he bulked up a bit and kept his speed and added some explosive power, coming from I think 135lbs, then went down to 140lbs to defeat hatton so he was able to make the most of his weight increase and fill into the 140lb frame, then went back up to 145lbs and defeated cotto so the the growth wasn't that much over time, the way he did it he was able to do it properly and to his full potential. it was a dangerous move going straight to 145 from 135 but de la hoya was shot and his own dieting went all wrong so he got away with it, then the move down to 140 and back up to 145 helped him fill his frame in properly. if the mayweather fight goes ahead on 147lbs then he will be in a much better place to fight at that weight than he was when he fought de la hoya.

**incredible** · 28-12-2009, 06:43

You are correct that a person can naturally gain a stone or whatever in a matter of months, infact they can gain 4 stones in 4 months all naturally. But to gain Muscle, I am talking 6-7lbs of LEAN muscle naturally in a space of a few months is close to impossible. That again comes down to the growth diffrentiation factor which is a type of TGF beta protein.
Growth hormone will allow cell multiplication and Insulin to promote protein synthesis. Some androgenic stimulation also would be beneficial to stimulate cell growth..There is an obvious case for and against weight minipulation. Water weight plus minipulation of food. All in all favouring cell volumisation which goes hand in hand.
This is the only reason I believe Manny may have taken Growth Hormone for his weight gaining goals with little affect on his training for boxing as apposed to steroid usage. My thoughts are all based on 2 things 1) what is visible to the naked eye -the quality muscle 'cut' state in almost any weight- i dont know Manny personaly hense I already stated like you it could be down to his high level of myostatin. Guess we will never know. 2) gh usage amongst pro sportsmen and especially isnt uncomman at all. I am not only pointing my finger towards Manny, but to the wider sporting world.

**Spider Pig** · 28-12-2009, 12:52

but he didn't gain a stone in 3/4 months, he walks around near in shape like mayweather does and not like hatton. he was walking around probably just over the WW limit before he cut to 135 so that's like 10-15lbs. then he just increased his fast twitch muscles and his gains weren't really that spectacular, he had the lay off before the fight camp started, another few months, if it was solid 145lbs muscle he would've struggled to get down to 140 but he didn't so to me that means he didn't have to use anything banned or illegal although he may have increased on some of the legal products available to him and maybe even went over the limited dosage of some of them according to the test rules.

I wouldn't put it past him that he used growth hormones but I'm not as suspicious as other people, especially with roach in charge of him.

there are others though that I would suspect before him, the way he's gone about it I just think can be achieved, especially with his body type, training, techniques, the trainers knowledge around him etc.

**Spider Pig** · 28-12-2009, 20:01

I just remembered, I think he came in at 142lbs against de la hoya, then 140 vs hatton then 145 against cotto

so over 2 yrs he fluctuated 135lbs, 142lbs, 140lbs and 145lbs.

**incredible** · 29-12-2009, 03:58

You maybe right spig, that again comes down to food minipulation, weight can be minuplated. Also muscle mass could be lost easily with the correct diet/ training.

My gut feeling is that Manny has taken GH. GH isn't a drug that will put HUGE amount of mass on people. Infact GH alone wouldnt yield spectacular gains like some people think....it is merely used for cell multiplication affect (mainly). And even then you will benefit with good side affects IMO such as lowered BF%. with a good androgenic and insulin environment we are looking at even a tastier picture or better gains

. I wouldnt go that far with manny though. The thing is Ther a re lots of pros there using this kind of advantage, boxing is dirty when it comes to something like this.

But you could be right spig.

**incredible** · 29-12-2009, 16:04

Spig just heard Bob Arum is calling for 30 days before the fight as apposed to the initial 5 days? is this true?

**Spider Pig** · 02-01-2010, 15:30

From what I know they wanted it around 5 days before the fight but Manny said he wants 30 days because blood tests weaken him but will also do one straight after the fight, they declined because they said it's pointless having the tests 30 days out so now it's all in hoohaa. Pacman is suing Mayweather, I think what Floyd has done is stupid and ridiculous, why should there be special treatment in this fight.

At the moment it's likely the fight is off and they will each face another opponent before fighting again (imo this is what Mayweather wants, in a business sense he will make more money from a fight leading up to the Pacman bout than say a fight after that bout because it's going to be that big! so he just wants some extra money, greed as per usual).

It is rumoured Pacman will face Malinaggi and Mayweather could be fighting in the UK against Mathew Hatton, absolute jokes of opponents for them but they'll make money because people want to see how they perform leading up to the next fight. I also think Mayweather is just stalling, he either wants another tune up fight or knows that Manny isn't good with blood tests and wants to take advantage.