Tableeghi Jamaat and Wahabis in Ahadith

[HussainU]

This is going to be a long post
but might open a few eyes .. and give some good pointers out there

[HussainU]

Tablighi Jamaat and Wahabis in light of Ahadees

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has Prophesied that many individuals and religious sects will cause dissension and mischief till the Day of Judgment. He has made a particular reference to the Wahhabi/Tableeghi Movement.

Hazrat Abu Huzaifa (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates a Hadith concerning the leaders of the mischief makers: "I swear by Allah that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has not left out a single leader of Fitna from this day to the day of Qiyamah. Their followers would number 300 or more and further gave their names and that of their tribes." (Abu Dawood)

FIRST HADITH

Imam Bukhari (Radiallhu Anhu) quotes this Hadith from Abdullah ibn Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) once prayed for Syria (Shaam) and Yemen. It is narrated that there were some people of Najd also present in the gathering and they requested the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to make du'a for Najd also. The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) continued saying: "O! Allah, Shower Blessings on Shaam and Yemen," The people of Najd again requested the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to offer prayers for Najd. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "It is a place of tremor and Fitna (Mischief) and the horn of Shaitaan will rise from there." (Bukhari Shareef, Vol. ii, PP. 1050)

It can be deduced from the above Hadith that Najd is neither blessed nor a good place but one of Fitna and Evil. Najd has been deprived of the prayers of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and therefore Najd has the seal of misery and misfortune and hoping for any good from there is going against the Will of Allah.

The Arabic word used in the above Hadith is Qarnush Shaitaan, which normally means the horn of Shaitaan. But the 'Misbahul Lughaat', a dictionary printed in Deoband has the following meaning: "One who follows the advice of Shaitaan." (Misbahul Lughaat, pp/663). Thus we learn that a Najdi/Wahhabi group will emerge, as pointed out by Rasoolullah (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and this group will follow the advice of Shaitaan (Shaitaan refuses to respect Prophets and Saints, remember his refusal to bow to Hazrat Adam (Alayhi Salaam) is mentioned in the Quran. It will create havoc in the Muslim world. We are now witnessing the emergence of the Wahhabis who, with the assistance of petrodollars, are sweeping the Muslim world and are bribing them into accepting Wahhabism as the official version of Islam. Wahhabism is a disease but so many are misled into believing that it is curing the Ummah of Shirk, Kufr and Bidah. It is being portrayed as a revivalist movement. This is against the Ahadith. Looking at the geographical position of Najd, it lies to the East of Medina. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) pointed towards the East and said:
"There, that is the direction from where Fitna will emerge."


SECOND HADITH

Abdullah bin Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates in Muslim Shareef: "The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) once emerged from the room of his wife, Hazrat Ayesha (Radiallahu Anha) and pointing towards Najd exclaimed:
'This is the center of Kufr from where the horn of Shaitaan will rise'."
(Muslim Shareef Vol. ii, PP. 1394)

THIRD HADITH

Allama Dahlan narrates an authentic Hadith in his book 'Addarus Sunniah', which he has quoted from Sihaah.


The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is reported to have said: "There will rise a group of people in the East who will recite the Holy Quran, but alas, the Quran will not go beyond their throat. This group will keep rising till the Day of Judgment and they will eventually rise with Dajjal. Their main symbol will be to sit in groups (Halqa)."
(Addarus Sunniah, PP. 50)

It should be noted from the above Hadith, that, the center of Kufr and Shaitaan is situated to the East of Medina. You will also note that Najd lies to the East of Medina from where a group of so-called Muslims will recite the Holy Quran but it will not penetrate beyond their throat. They will invite the masses towards the Holy Quran and religion. Now, if you examine the situation carefully, you would observe without any fear of contradiction, that reference is made to no other Group besides the notorious Tableeghi Jamaat whose one end is in Delhi and the other is implanted in Najd (Riyadh).

CONFIRMATION BY MOLWI MASOOD AALAM NADWI
The above Nadwi writes in his well known book "Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahab" - on the side commentary: "The Southern part of Najd has the famous town of Riyadh, the Capital of his (Wahhabi) headquarters in Dariya. Both these villages are in the valley called Waadi Hanifa (situated in Najd)." (PP. 16)

Allama Dahlan has quoted the following Ahadith from the Sihaah.

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "During the initial part of my Dawah in Mecca, I particularly invited the outside tribes who used to arrive during the Hajj season. From these tribes the most hostile and ugly reaction was from the Banu Hanifa tribe" (The same tribe in which Ibné Abdul Wahab was born. He founded Wahhabism which is begin followed by the Tableeghi Jamaat) (Addarus Sunniah, PP. 52)

He quotes a further Hadith, Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (Radiallhu Anhu) reports that the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From the tribes that live in Waadi Hanifa, Fitna shall emerge till the final era. That valley shall be notorious for its fitna because of the rise of false leaders." (PP. 52)

Hazrat Imraan, the son of Hazrat Haseen (Radiallhu Anhu) reports:

that the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) disliked three tribes life long. (1) Banu Saqeef; (2) Banu Hanifa; (3) Banu Umayya. (Tirmizi Shareef)

FOURTH HADITH

It is reported in Mishkat from Hazrat Abu Said Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) who narrates that:

"Once we were in the presence and company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He was distributing booties (Spoils of War) when a person named Zul-Khawaisara, who was from the tribe of Bani Tamim addressed the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) "Oh Muhammad Be Just!" ". The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "A Great pity that you have doubts, if I am unjust then who will be just, you are a loser and a failure." Zul-Khawaisara's attitude infuriated Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) and he pleaded with the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) remarked: "Leave him, as his slaying will serve no good purpose, as he is not the only individual but there are a host of others like him and if you compare their prayers and fasting to that of yours, you yourself will feel ashamed. These are the people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, with all these apparent virtues they will leave the fold of Deen just like the arrow leaves the bow." (Miskhat Shareef, PP. 535)

FIFTH HADITH

The previous Hadith has also been narrated as follows: "A person with eyes protruding, with a long beard and head clean-shaven came to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and declared: 'O Muhammad! (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) fear Allah. "' The Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "If I disobey Allah, then who else will obey Him? I am obedient to Allah at all times and never disobedient. Allah has sent me as Amin(Honest for the entire world, but you don't accept me as an honest man?' A Sahabi (Companion) became infuriated and sought permission to remove him from the presence of the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) prevented the Sahabi from doing so After the person had left, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From his progeny will rise a Group who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the Deen just as an arrow leaves the bowstring. They will kill the Muslims but spar the idolaters. If I ever confronted these people I would slaughter them just as the people of Aad had been destroyed" (Mishkat Shareef, pp/535)

SIXTH HADITH

Shareekh Ibn Shihab (Radiallhu Anhu) also narrates a similar incident of a person who displayed disrespect towards the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He states the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Nearing Qiyamah there will be a Group of people who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the true Religion of Islam as fast as an arrow leaves the bow. They will be recognized by the shavings of their entire head and they will move in Groups and their last Group will emerge with Dajjal, when you meet them you will discover their nature and character, the worst of its kind." (Mishkat pp/309 - Prints may vary and pages may be different in other publications) The aforementioned Hadith are the words of a Great and Noble Prophet of Allah (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) who is the possessor of Unseen Knowledge, who knows the signs and the secrets of the future. All Praise is due to Allah, that we do not have to search far for this Group, as the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has mentioned the different signs of this notorious Group, so we are able to detect our enemies without difficulty.

Another sign mentioned in recognizing this particular Group is that they will be so punctual and devoted to their Salaat, that one will feel ashamed of ones own Salaat compared to theirs. It is obvious that these qualities are prevalent amongst the Tableegh Jamaat. For example, you will agree that there are thousands of individuals, nay, many millions of individuals that are performing Salaat for a period of over 40 to 50 years, an yet, they do not possess a sign on their forehead (sign of Sajda) whereas, very surprisingly, the devotees of the Tableeghi Jamaat get the mark of Sajda on their forehead within a few weeks! The reason for this is very clear, they deliberately press and rub their foreheads on the mussallah to obtain the much coveted mark. This is to display to the Muslims, their so-called piousness. An other sign of this Group is that they will consider all other persons as being inferior to them and even those of high standing-in society are looked down upon by them. The most glaring sign of recognizing these people is their constant attempts in degrading the Prophets and Aulia (Prophets and Saints) of Allah.

These signs are prevalent amongst the Tableeghi Jamaat. They look down upon all Sunni Muslims who are, without any doubt, true and devout Muslims. They openly challenge the Ulema and Imams. They engage in discussions and arguments on matter which they themselves do not understand and yet they have the audacity to degrade the status and the Glory of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

In the fifth Hadith it is mentioned that another sign of this notorious Group is that they will shed the blood of fellow Muslims and will have no dispute whatsoever, with the' idolaters. This glaring sign is also present in the present Tableeghi Jamaat. You have often witnessed or heard that in certain Masjid the Tableeghi Jamaat had a dispute or in a certain Masjid the Tableeghi Jamaat had come with sticks, chains, knives, etc. You have also noticed that when and wherever they fight it is always with the Muslims and not with the Kafirs and Mushriks (Polytheists). You may have also noticed that when or wherever they confront the Kafirs or Mushriks, which is seldom or never, they tug their tails between their legs and run. This is true in India, during Hindu Muslim Riots.

In the sixth Hadith it was mentioned that a peculiar sign of this Group will be the shaving of their head completely. This act is now reckoned to be its sign and emblem as such they advise their followers and Mureeds (Disciples) to also shave their heads and therefore you will notice that most of them are bald.

A STRANGE FACT

The Arabic word Thaleeq (Shaving) as used in the Ahadith must be taken into consideration. The common translation of the word Thaleeq is clean-shaving of the entire head. The Deoband scholars in Misbahul Lughat - page-148 give its meaning as 'to turn around and sit in a circle'. This translation fits like a glove with the Movement of the Tableeghi Jamaat, one translation is regarding them moving around and the other indicating their sitting in circles in Masjids and doing Kitab-reading as a splinter group detached from the other Musallies. They cut across the Imam and display a defying attitude. They never read the Quran. They love the Kitab written by Molvi Zakariya. They will never participate in Khatamul Quran organized in Mosques on certain nights or auspicious nights. If the Imam is delivering Tafseerul Quran, or Darse Hadith or fiqah lessons or even Zikrullah, these people never take part, as if they are super Muslims and everybody else is 3rd grade! These Tableeghis are programmed internationally to behave in this manner. It is not peculiar to any one country. This is the global strategy to destabilize the Muslims The anti-Muslim West has realized that they cannot break the Muslims from outside. They will have to use a group of hypocrites, who will use Western financial resources, and creep into Muslim society, systematically dismantling them and fragmenting them. Remember, all this is done in the name of establishing the Sunnah and "The Mubarak Tareeqa" of our Beloved Rasoolullah(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), as claimed by them!

Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) and Hazrat Anas (Radiallhu Anhu) report that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: "Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?" He replied: "Sitting in a Halqa (circle)."(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)

SEVENTH HADITH

Hazrat Ali (Radiallhu Anhu) once narrated: "I swear by Allah that to fall from the sky to the Earth is very simple for me, but to utter one false word in reference to the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is a very difficult and impossible task for me."

Hazrat Ali(Radiallhu Anhu) then narrated as follows:

"I heard the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) as saying that as the Day of Qiyamah approaches there will appear a group of youths with a low mental capacity and understanding, apparently they will talk of good but their Imaan will not go beyond their throat and they will leave the true Deen like an arrow leaves the prey. Wherever you find them, you should make Jihaad with them. (Bukhari Shareef, pp/1024)

EIGHTH HADITH

The following Hadith is reported by Hazrat Abu Naim (Radiallhu Anhu) in his book entitled 'Huliya'. Hazrat Abu Umana Bahili (Radiallah Anhu) narrates that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Before the Day of Qiyamah, they (Tableeghi Jamaat) will spread and attack bitterly like the small and the large insects and whosoever witnesses this period must seek refuge in Allah." (Huliya)

Hazrat Hassan Basri (Radiallhu Anhu) narrated the following Hadith, "The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said that there will come a time when people will speak of worldly affairs in the Masjid and when this period arrives, keep away from such people as Allah has no relation with them." (Mishkaat)

In the previous Hadith, above, it is stated about this Group, that it will consist of youths of low mental capacity and understanding. If one desires to confirm this sign then one has to go to their Ijtima (as an observer) and one would find people of both these categories. You will also notice that a great number of ignorant people joining the Tableeghi Jamaat with the idea in mind that they are doing a great service to Islam. You will also find a group of little children from schools, colleges, madressas and the general public who without thinking or understanding join the Tableeghi Jamaat in the belief that they are rendering a religious service. These innocent, simple-minded individuals unwittingly become target of their deception and fraud. Thus, many youth and unwary persons have unconsciously joined the Tableeghi Jamaat due to their misleading tactics. In the eighth Hadith it is stated that before Doomsday the 'Mullahs' will multiply like the insects and the Masjids will be turned into a village pavilions or rural clubs. It is apparent from observation and experience that the Tableeghi Jamaat is a living picture of this Prophecy. There are a great number of individuals, who by merely reading a few pages of the "Tableeghi Nisab" (Teachings of Islam), automatically become Moulvies and Alims. These so-called Mullahs now utter disrespect and disregard for the Great Ulema, who have spent the best and greater part of their lives in attaining Islamic Knowledge at reputed colleges and Universities, here and abroad.

The state of Masjids has now become the center of various activities besides a place of Worship. These gypsies (Tableeghi Jamaat members) have transformed the Masjid into a hostel, with canteen and sleeping hall and engage in other worldly affairs. This disgraceful and tormenting attitude towards the Masjid is both shocking and disheartening.

NINTH HADITH

Sayed Allama Dahlan (Rahmatullahi Alaihi) quotes in his book 'Addarus Sunnia' an authentic Hadith of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) which states:

"There will be a Group of people emerging from the East who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go down their throats. They will leave the folds of Islam like an arrow leaves the bow never to return. A feature to recognize this Group is that their heads would be shaven clean." (Addarus Sunnia, PP. 49)

From the above Hadith it will be noted that since they deviate from the truth it is impossible for them to return to the Right Path. This Hadith could be put to a simple test by yourself, for the sake of confirmation of your doubts, if any, then confront a staunch follower of the Tableeghi Jamaat and try and influence him a thousand times and try t rid him of his false belief and not to associate with those who degrade the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and to believe in the true status of the Aulia Allah's (Saints). Surprisingly, you will note that your attempts and confrontation will fall on deaf ears and they will neither return t the truth nor will they try to reason and see the truth. Muhaddith Kabir Imam Abu Ya'la (Rahmatullahi Alaihi) narrates a Hadith from Hazrat Anas bin Malik(Radiallhu Anhu) and the Author of 'lbriz' who states:
"Hazrat Anas Bin Malik (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates that in Medina, there lived a very pious youngster. One day we made reference about this youngster to the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). Inspite of the Sahaba describing the youngster's features and character to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was unable to recognize the youngster made mention of. However, a few days later, whilst we were in the company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), the young man passed that way. On seeing the young man, the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) exclaimed: 'I see the scabs of Shaitaan imprinted on his face. The youngster then approached the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and made salutation. The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) then said to him:'Is it not true that right now you are thinking that there is no one better than yourself here, 'The youngster then replied: 'Yes, these thoughts did pass my mind.'He then walked away into the Masjid. The Prophet then inquired as to who will kill this person. Hazrat Abu Bakr(Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to do so and entered the Masjid and saw the person he was to kill engrossed in performing his Salaat and he remembered a Hadith of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) which prohibited one from killing a person who is performing his Salaat and returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) again inquired as to who will kill the youngster, this time Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to kill him and entered the Masjid and found the youngster performing his Sajda and with the same thoughts as Hazrat Abu Bakr (Radiallhu Anhu), Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). For the third time the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) again inquired who will kill the youngster, this time Hazrat Ali (Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to do so, the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:'You will surely kill him, if you find him.'

When Hazrat Ali entered the Masjid, he was surprised to see that the youngster was no longer in the Masjid and he too like the others returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: 'If you had only killed him then all the Fitna in my Ummah till Day of Qiyamah would have been wiped out and no two persons in my Ummah would have fought between themselves." (Ibreez Shareef, pp/277, Author Allama Shah Abdul Aziz Dabbaag (Rahmatullahi Alaihi)). The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) informed the Sahaba (Companions) that among my Ummah will rise a Group of people who will recite the Quran, invite to good talks, will be punctual for their Salaat and will be mindful of their fasting, yet they will have no relation with Islam. With this confusion in their minds the Sahaba asked the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to forecast a sign to recognize this particular Group of people. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied that their head will be shaven clean or sitting in circles.

Let us all fervently pray to Almighty Allah, with the Grace and Blessings of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) that Allah grants protection to all true Muslims from this false an astrayed Sect. I invite you to be impartial and ask yourself one question. Where is that group which the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) described so vividly in so many Ahadith? Is it so difficult to pinpoint them? Surely these prophetic statements are a pen-portrait of the Tableeghi Jamaat.


SUMMARY OF AHADITH

Zul Khuwaisra - the man who showed so much disrespect to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was from the tribe of Bani Tamim. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) foretold that the Wahhabi group who will cause much fitna, will be the off-springs of the above Munaafiq. Allama Dahlaan, the celebrated Historian of our era writes: "Zul Khuwaira was of the Banu Tamim tribe and so was Ibne Abdul Wahab Najdi." (Addarus Sunniah, pp/51). These Ahadith certainly do not fit the Kharajees because they were not the off-springs of Bani Tamim. Shah Abdul Haq the great Muhaddis of Delhi writes: "The Kharajees were not the descendants of Zul Khuwaisra." (Ashatul Lamaat, Commentary on Mishkat pp/535)

Moulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar has made the following observations about the Wahhabi Najdi Jamaat: "The hands of Najd and Najdis are red with the blood of Muslims, this is their only achievement. Now too, there are hostilities with the Yemenis and a war is looming." (Maqaalaate Muhammad Ali, Part 1,PP. 37)

[HussainU]

read it in ur own time
but make sure u read it all

[Scrooge]

give a quick summary?

[Zero]

Methinks this has gone on long enuff.

Time to take of the dust off my notes on "Exposing The Barelwi".

Im sure that will open your eyes hussain.

It is said that those who continuously reject will BE the ones that are rejected in the finale.

Oh, and I'll read later, Im off to the south-coast in 15 mins.

[HussainU]

south coast sounds nice lol

exposing the braelwi? who is it written by?? is it in HADITHS?

[Guji-Ji]

Those hadiths are pushed so out of context its unbelievable.

Hussain tell me. How many Tablighi Jamaats bayans have you been to? Or how many times you gone out in jamaat? My families been connected to Tabligh for many years and my uncle is one of the main members in Stratford Markhaz. My grandad who passed away this year used to be connected to it a lot in his younger days. Are you tryna say we're all zaalims?

[Scrooge]

im confuzzled. are u trying to say tablighis and wahabis are not muslims or summit?

[Zero]

^ Yes. He and his barelwi cronies have a vendetta against wahabis. Big time. Cos they are dumb. True Story.

And the notes, Hussain, are courtesy of a personal meeting with Zakir Naik.

[Cheeky_Princess]

I'm got the gist when i saw this thread ysday its going to be anti wahabi....
i look forward to this debate... is it gnna outdo the milad one?

[M4RN1]

1st of all what is Tabligh Jamat?

Tabligh means to preach jamat just means a group.


So preaching is unlawful?

Tabligh is people who give invitations to others to Islam.
They sit and educate themselves in mosque and invite people to the masjid.
The main purpose is to rectify oneself in tabligh.
Many druggies and bad people have rectified themselves by going in tabligh.

Tabligh was not in the time of prophet but the fundementals were.
So how can you get any hadith regarding it?

The hadith are regarding about hyprocrites who call themselves muslims to deviate others to the wrong path.

The french does it, indians do it, usa does it, pakistan bangladesh does it and its worldwide.

How can a massive group be in the wrong.
Saudis have better understanding and they do it.

how can one speak against it when one has not been?

They read quran, do talim of hadith, tell people and invite them to masjid and get them to pray 5 times salah, they rectify their reading of quran and learn , teach themselves and others the ettiqites of eating/sleeping/behaviour towards others.

Is all that wrong in Islam?

[Scrooge]

i think the mosque i pray at are hardcore barelwis, they always taking cheapshots at wahabis, ud think the elders would grow up a bit, they worse then kids sometimes.
unfortuantley its rubbing off on the kids too, sad state of affairs...

[HussainU]

these are hadiths .. things which have been said over an over again by our prophey muhammed sallahu alyhi wasalam ..
can it be wrong?

[Guji-Ji]

these are hadiths .. things which have been said over an over again by our prophey muhammed sallahu alyhi wasalam ..
can it be wrong?

As Marni said the hadiths are at hypocrites.

[Zero]

these are hadiths .. things which have been said over an over again by our prophey muhammed sallahu alyhi wasalam ..
can it be wrong?

They cannot be wrong.

But then again some people have issues on the authenticity of hadith.

As a matter of fact, as Guji Ji said, its been taken out of context.

And thats what the least knowledgable people do. They take things out of concept to suit themselves. Like praying to graves.

Remba hussain, for every statement there is always valid arguments for and against. But wether that statement matches the logical and proper teachings of Islam, then you can tell, (or any educated dude can tell) which is right and which is wrong.

If it wasnt for the wahabis, Saudi Arabia wouldve probably been lost.