The Prophets 7 Year Old Wife

[Kayz]

Wiki i wouldnt trust at all.. as i can change it now and show you guys the link... which can decieve a lot of people... however wiki has people monitoring changes so things wont happen straight away...

Whatever her age you have to understand society was very different to how it is today. Plus there's nothing that says she was forced into it or anything. Plus if it was such a terrible thing why is that none of his enemies then used it against him?

We're looking at it from a 21st century perspective so it obviously sounds a bit eww to us but remember the Prophet's first wife was 40 and he was 25, something that would be looked down today and she was the one who proposed, another thing that hardly happens.

There's a hadith that goes Aisha asked the Prophet how his love for her was. He goes 'Like a knot tied in a rope'... Beautiful.

Im not sure on this topic... however what i do know is whatever happened back then was the "norm" for that society... and vice versa... things that we do today may not be the "norm" for them days and could be frowned upon.

[Scrooge]

look at todays society, its so fucked up its unbelievable and they want us to cast doubts on our prophet pbuh.

what do u have in todays society - teenage girls under the age of 16 who are pregnant and single mothers. you have paedophiles roaming around britain, u have famous 'celebs' who are fucked up nd they are the so called 'role models' of society. gary glitter, brithney spears, amy winehouse lol. sexually transmitted disease is a common thing amongst people aged under 25.

ASBOs, gays/lesbians, rapists, paedos, the whole shebang, yet they want to belittle the prophet pbuh who brought about justice and stability for everyone, muslim and non muslims alike.

there are reasons for why the prophet pbuh took upon the marriage to aisha ra, which some have been stated in this thread.

aisha ra turned out to be one of the best sahabah nd a great inspiration for all muslim women to look up to.

rab c nesbitt... are u muslim?

[Icey]

I'd understand if she had no family, or if her father didn't have the means to support her and raise her up...
I'd understand if she was 9, when Muhammed spoke to Abu Bakr about her...
I'd understand if it was something that he *had* to do, as in, if it was ordered by God.

...so ur saying u don't understand? Thats cool u prally jus need to try and understand that u cant judge society 1400 years ago by the western values that MTV and BBC news give us today.

Yes, I know that back in those days they did have child marriages.
They also had very wealthy men marry child brides.

But Muhammed was neither a child (for it to be a child marriage), nor from a wealthy family.
So, I can't see the purpose of the marriage.

Child to child marriages were not the only way children got married. It was a common practice for older men to marry young girls. Even according to Christianity, Mary mother of Jesus was around 12 years old when she married Joseph. Altho his exact age is not known reports suggest that he was between 40-90 years old. So u just gotta understand that there was nothing wrong with it back then becuz women's sole purpose was to get married, look after their husbands and have children. So why in those times would a girl's parents wait till she's 21 to get her married when she could get married a lot younger?

What's actually so bad about marrying a 9 year old girl? U could take advantage of her right? Use her and abuse her maybe? Maybe she's not old enough to be sure that this is the rite guy for her? But say he didnt do any of that, he treated her very well and never made her do anything she didnt want to, she was happy with him as her husband and everything was done in the context of a legal marriage. What actually is so wrong about it then?

[Kayz]

I think people should think outside the box a little bit and try and atleast understand another persons point of view.

There's no way that I'm saying there wasn't love between Muhammed and Aisha...
but that must've been after she did a bit of growing up.
How does a child even begin to understand the concept of romantic love?

..and again, I'm saying this based on what I've heard, not what I've read up on...
But, wasn't it Aisha who Muhammed chose to spend the majority of his nights with?

Without sounding offensive, I feel that there's an element of lust in there somewhere.

I understand where you are coming from and your questioning and doubts are very normal as if i was in your shoes then i may of asked the same questions.

However what you need to know is back then so many things were different, peoples life styles, the way they ate, walked and how they understood each other was different. For example this day and age... right now 14-16 year olds in the US look like 18+... most of them... why? Because they mature pretty fast and look much older than their age... however here in the UK 14-16 year olds look much younger in comparison to the kids in the US.

This is because of the whole life style and system... the food they eat, the way they sleep and walk and how their lives are wholly based around them.

Do you wear heels? Well if you wore heels back in the Prophets time then they will class you as weird... they will ask themselves..

"Why does this woman have her toes on the floor and her heel high up in the air?",
"Why is this woman making it difficult for her self to walk?"
"Why does she want to look taller when i can clearly see she has an extended heel?"

etc etc... do you see what i mean?

Therefore back then love was perceived differently.. maybe love wasnt all about looks or fit bods or big bums and thighs? Or how about vice versa... Maybe love wasnt about personality but just looks and big bums?

Remember your opinion is derived from this society, the 20th 21st 22nd century norms. Ask your self this... if it was so wrong do you think it would have even been allowed then? - No.

But i wholly understand your point of view, i believe your basing it from your understanding of this society and not then.

I hope ive made myself clear..

[Kashmiri_Pakhtun]

Aisha (r.a) was considered a ADULT not a CHILD by the time She reached 9. The fact that Aisha (r.a) was a prominent member of that society is blatantly clear even from scratching the surface of Islamic history. No one complained; Christian, Jews, tribes, because it was a norm in society at that time.

Even Mary (a.s) at the age of 12 married Joseph age 90. Did the community object to it? It is simply illogical to compare two times and their social norms. Especially times that are 1400 years apart. Islam isn't a culture, it was going according to the culture norms of society of that time.

Legal age of sexual consent in Denmark CURRENTLY 12 years old. So by other nations standards they must all be paedophiles. There isn't a fixed age Globally at which girls go through puberty. Climate and nutrition play a big part in this. For instance generally in hotter countries women go through puberty much earliar.

[Guji-Ji]

Another example is marriages within first cousins. For most people it's eww even in the Asian society but it's been happening for hundreds of years. I can bet most of us are a product of Cousins somewhere along the line. My mum and dad are cousins and yes I know there's a thing about it increasing likelihood to disease but I'm fine. Allah knows best. In the same way for someone who isn't used to cousin marriages its eww but for those that see as the norm, its normal.

What I do want to reiterate is the fact that if it was so bad than why didn't the enemies of Islam at the time use it against him? Surely it'd be a great way to attack the Prophet pbuh?

[Guji-Ji]

How did The Prophet pbuh die?

It was a natural death. He fell ill and than died a few days later on 12th Rabbi ul Awwal, on the same day he was born.

I've read an exact copy of this page on the back of a Qur'aan. It explains it properly:
Death of Prophet Muhammad (632 AD)

Guji Ji, I know.
I starting reading the translation of the Quran last month.
Surah 47 is something that I'm going to have to ask about.

Since I've started learning about religion on my own, I've learnt a lot of stuff that I didn't ever want to know about.

Do tell ? I doubt i'll have knowledge to answer anything but it'd be interesting to know(if you want).

[Guji-Ji]

^^Just to add


I think more often than not there's always an explanation for everything if you read up about it.

For example take this verse:

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell among you" - 9:123

Sounds dodgy right?

Now that was posted on a BNP group on Facebook. So I did a bit of googling and found another translation:

(O ye who believe!) in Muhammad (pbuh) and in the Qur'an (Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you) the Banu Qurayzah, Banu'l-Nadir, Fadak and Khaybar, (and let them find harshness in you) toughness from you, (and know) O believers (that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)) Allah helps the believers: Muhammad (pbuh) and his Companions, by making them victorious over their enemies.

See how it is all in context now? Allah is not telling us to fight every disbeliever that ever existed. He was telling the Prophet pbuh to fight the ones that were oppressing him.

I'm sure the same could be done for most if not all verses in the Qur'aan.

[Zero]

"I feel that...."
"My opinion on this is...."
"I think this in the quran means...."
"Maybe that means...."

In Islam, only scholars can make such statements. We are not in the position to make assumptions based on the prophet unless we read... Of course by all means you should have doubts in your mind. Doubt is a natural feeling for a human in times of contradiction. We are supposed to seek protection from it. Only when your mind begins to dwell on it, it leads to more contradictions and possibly disbelief...

It's tough being a human ain't it?

[Lucy]

Looks as tho ppl have pretty much summed stuff up

but just to add,u know wen a woman reaches puberty and has her periods then she shud be married accordn to islam,now bear in mind that ths was wrtten thousands of years back,and for then maybe worked,coz an unmarried gals,cud get raped,get pregnant etc,so tht was her parents duty to get her married off.

Some gals DO start their periods around the age of 9,happend to a cuz.

Altho by modern terms we thnk thts too young,but back then the moment u started ur periods,u had to be married off.

[Rab C Nesbit]

Scrooge... You can't ask everyone to say PBUH or SAW after his name, if they don't think/believe that they should.
Not everyone is a Muslim.

Also, the book that you're referring to is fiction.
It's kind of like The Da Vinci Code.. A story based on (I'd say) history.
I doubt the author had the intention to offend; the publishers may have wanted to create some HooHaa, though, just to get more sales.

[Guji-Ji]

Scrooge... You can't ask everyone to say PBUH or SAW after his name, if they don't think/believe that they should.
Not everyone is a Muslim.

Also, the book that you're referring to is fiction.
It's kind of like The Da Vinci Code.. A story based on (I'd say) history.
I doubt the author had the intention to offend; the publishers may have wanted to create some HooHaa, though, just to get more sales.

I think he knows it's fiction by why use 2 people who are held in high regard by the Muslims? I think the author had every intention to offend. In this day and age there's no way you can be naive to the Anti-Islamic atmosphere.

[Guji-Ji]

Looks as tho ppl have pretty much summed stuff up

but just to add,u know wen a woman reaches puberty and has her periods then she shud be married accordn to islam,now bear in mind that ths was wrtten thousands of years back,and for then maybe worked,coz an unmarried gals,cud get raped,get pregnant etc,so tht was her parents duty to get her married off.

Some gals DO start their periods around the age of 9,happend to a cuz.

Altho by modern terms we thnk thts too young,but back then the moment u started ur periods,u had to be married off.

That's right. Islamically when a male reaches puberty he should start working and get married. He is no longer the sole responsibility of the parents. Obviously times have changed and we spend years in education before we even get there but its a good point.

[Scrooge]

Scrooge... You can't ask everyone to say PBUH or SAW after his name, if they don't think/believe that they should.
Not everyone is a Muslim.

Also, the book that you're referring to is fiction.
It's kind of like The Da Vinci Code.. A story based on (I'd say) history.
I doubt the author had the intention to offend; the publishers may have wanted to create some HooHaa, though, just to get more sales.

a US academic who reviewed the book described it as making 'fun of muslims and their history', ' a very ugly, stupid piece of work', and as 'soft pornography'. 2 people who are held in the highest status for muslims over the world, to be ridiculed by a book and u say its not the intention to offend...

would u say the same, if someone was to write a novel but used your parents name and described their sex life in a book? somehow i dont think u would.

other religions may be ok with their religion being mocked and butt of jokes, i.e. christianity, but in islam that wont be tolerated. honour of the prophet pbuh, his wives and sahabah should be protected at all times nd not be made a laughing stock.

like with the cartoons of the prophet pbuh, this is just another attack on islam, by using the smokescreen of free speech

[incredible]

repped again bro

This is a very inresting topic. I must admit I was kind of shocked to believe the prophet PBUH, married a young girl. even with the arguments you guys have put forward. I will need more info in regards to this. Maybe if somebody who knows a person with 'great knoweldge' could explain this better to us.