Knowledge v Qualifications v Experience

[Tariq2009]

fuck all 3, im paki, nepotism will get me where i have to get to in life.

[Evil_Genious]

fuck all 3, im paki, nepotism will get me where i have to get to in life.

LOL! Well that's true, it does... In fact I have a cousin who is doing his GCSE's now, but he says he doesn't give a flying toilet kebab because he wants to work in his Dad's shop.........

I agree with most that has already been said, mostly from Jellybutt and Mike.... Coz nobody is born with knowledge or even experience... You might have instinct and a knack to land on your feet through challenges, but experience in it's very definition requires you to do/learn/understand what you did why/when/how/how it could have been done better. Experience isn't essential, it's just a fact of life, everyone will acquire experience just by doing things everyday. But when people first got Ipod's nobody had experience of them, they read the manual and acquired 'knowledge' first, and then applied that which turned to experience.

A qualification is a proof of knowledge, so when you go for your job interview the company can look at that and see what you have knowledge in. The qualification itself may or may not be useful to you in your job, but it will proove you have the ability to use your brain. You'll learn new things at work, which you will apply and convert to experience.

Nobody needs any of them, experience and in some ways knowledge will just happen, some people have no qualifications and have experience and knowledge. It just depends what that knowledge is in....

Experience and knowledge are inseparable. Qualification is optional.

[DJ B4VVY]

Forget qualifications, when I was going for all those interviews during the beginning of this year, the employers were more impressed with the letter I got for good attendance, no sick days off since October 2007 FTW!

[M4RN1]

I want to know is if qualification is important

How did bill gates make it.
MJ
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Edison.
Richard Branson... Billionaire British businessman.
George Carlin... Comedian.
Jim Carrey... Comedian and actor.
Tom Cruise... Actor
George Eastman... Founder of the Kodak company.
Albert Einstein... Mathematician.
Michael J. Fox... Actor.
George Gershwin... Composer
Wright brothers... Inventors of the airplane.
Peter Jennings... News anchor and reporter.
Billy Joel... Singer.
Keanu Reeves... Actor.
Thomas Sowell... Economist, author and political commentator.
Quentin Tarantino... Movie director.
Dave Thomas... Founder of Wendy's restaurant chain.
Uma Thurman... Actress.
Randy Travis... Country music singer.
John Travolta... Actor, airline pilot.
Ansel Adams... Photographer, author.
Bryan Adams... Songwriter, singer.
Jack Albertson... Oscar-winning actor.
Peter Allen... Australian songwriter, composer, singer.
Dhirubhai Ambani... Billionaire Indian businessman.


All college dropouts.

Luck?

[Pretzel]

^ Apart from the inventors, who must have theory and knowlege... the rest of them people are through talent, creative talent...

some peeps just aren't creative. therefore they do the whole getting qualifications and experience n shit...

some people are just lucky and get where they are.

[Voodookid]

From an employment point of view:

Employers are now more interested in your ability to do the job not what you have learnt in a classroom. I went to university and am proud of my university education but I don’t think there is a one size fits all policy when it comes to life after school or college. You need to research the industry you want to get in to and find the best route for you to get where you need to go regardless of whether that is on the job experience or class room learning.

Although people may laugh at McDonalds for now offering qualifications and study programmes for young people I think we need more big organisations like this giving vocational courses as I feel it will improve the speed in which school leavers find work in their chosen field and leave less people unemployed. For many years people have looked down at vocational courses but I think courses which mix learning and work place experience are the way to go and that universities could learn a lot from this approach instead of holding on to their old and tested methods.

Personal experiences:

Many of my friends and even customers who are now in highly skilled professions didn’t go to university they forged their own careers going straight from school or college to gain hands on experience and work their way up the ranks so they got a three year head start on all us university students.

The question, therefore, is: is it important that knowledge be acquired in a structured manner, or is it the acquisition of knowledge itself? Arguably, certain skills need the person to be formally put through a learning process that guides them through the myriad and intricate layers, to enable a thorough understanding of the underlying principles that drive them.

Management and leadership positions, however, call for skills that can be acquired only through direct work experience. Most of the leading professional B-schools do not admit students without relevant supervisory or managerial experience.

Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computers, and one of the richest men in the world. His academic credentials: undergraduate dropout from the University of Austin, Texas. The debate on what makes a successful manager — academic qualifications or experience — is historical and continuing.

Whenever I'm recruiting for a new member of staff for my business, I always prefer experience and knowledge over qualifications. More knowledge is gained through experience (in my line of work anyway).

[DJ B4VVY]

I agree with you Voodz.

Like I have said in similar threads to these, I have 12 cousins and 1 brother in the UK. Out of the 14 of us, 2 failed out of uni/weren't bothered with it and then there's me who didn't go. So the 11 of them who actually did get a degree, only 3 of them got a job in the field they studied, earning alot of money. Now, 2 of them lost their jobs so they're back at square one. The rest of them wasted alot of time looking for a job in the field they wanted and now they're all doing normal office based jobs. Me on the otherhand, high school dropout, steadily started work at the age of 18, worked for a year of so when I was in Leicester and when I came back it was pretty hard getting back on my feet but now I've been working for the same company for the past 3 years and earning more than the rest of them who have got degrees. So while they were all faffing around doing their degrees and trying to find a job only in the field they got their degrees in, I had already done better than them.

I reckon if theydid some kind of work experience in the field they wanted a job in, they would have become more successful, I know it pisses them off that I've done better than them because I'm the fuck up out of the family but when I worked for Student Finace, I noticed alot of students opting for the sandwich courses but even they find it hard to get the year out to work in the field they want to and they just end up finishing their degree instead of taking the year out.

[Shedevil]

Qualifications prove nothing..! Any muppet can get a degree. Don't necessarily mean you're clever though. All about experience. If you just got the degree, employers don't wanna know unless you got the knowledge and experience to back it up.

[Ritz_Crackers]

I honestly think that for most jobs you don't need a qualification.

Yes there are jobs that do require qualifications ie: teaching, rocket scientist, etc, etc.

But for common jobs like IT, you don't require a qualification at all.

I'll use myself as an example. I was a school dropout. Left school with shitty GCSE grades and started working in the IT industry at the age of 16. I'm 26 now and I'm director of ICT in a college.

Yes I have gained qualifications while working, but not degrees. Didn't have to study for 3 years. These are practical qualifications, which basically increase your pay and to mke it look good on paper.

[Guji-Ji]

I want to be a counsellor or teacher so qualifications is a must, and quite rightly I think. As Ritz said, with some jobs I'm sure having no qualifications would be perfectly fine but not all.

[Evil_Genious]

I honestly think that for most jobs you don't need a qualification.

Yes there are jobs that do require qualifications ie: teaching, rocket scientist, etc, etc.

But for common jobs like IT, you don't require a qualification at all.

I'll use myself as an example. I was a school dropout. Left school with shitty GCSE grades and started working in the IT industry at the age of 16. I'm 26 now and I'm director of ICT in a college.

Yes I have gained qualifications while working, but not degrees. Didn't have to study for 3 years. These are practical qualifications, which basically increase your pay and to mke it look good on paper.

Of course there are other means of achieving success. But not everyone can do that man, some people have to rely on conventional means than hard graft. Do you honestly believe everyone can do what you did? If so then you don't really think highly of your achievements.

I can't lie, I got a degree, and I used that degree to get a Job which required a degree. Then I did multiple entry examinations and aptitude tests and only then did they give me a job. And I work in IT too, but I can 100% I needed that degree, I needed that education. There is no way I would be able to do what I'm doing without it. Personally. Coz perhaps it isn't a natural means of livelihood for me, it's more an acquired means.. Meaning, I don't love it so much that I would have learnt all that jack without going to Uni over it.

Competition amongst graduates is tough, getting a job in what you degree'd in (unless you doin med and the likes) is tough, coz a job isn't guaranteed. To differentiate yourself from all that is, you should do something about it..

I'm not gonna demean my degree and the degree of those who are back breaking at uni, yes I accept there are positives and negatives, and a lot of lost salary that could have be earnt if I started working full time at 16. But I din't soley study at uni, I had a hell of a lot of fun too. So for me it was a win win. I don't care about the cash, if you get that, the government gonna bum fuck you out of every penny you have anyway. And if you go to uni, you get bum fucked to.. So it's the same... Some people have to go to uni (like me) and some people dont. Some people only know what they learnt at uni, and some people don't... I probably could have done better at an English degree than Computer Science... But whatever init bladddy bladd waffle iron.