Student Protests

**shelim** · 18-11-2010, 02:26

Why did a Public picture get taken off Bav...?

Whether requested or not... not our fault she's stupid enough to get arrested while protesting...

**Cheeky_Princess** · 18-11-2010, 03:16

Shelim
You were not there were you?
You got all your facts from the media right?
Do you know each of the stories of every individual that got arrested?
where they were, why they were there and why they got targeted?
No?

To be frank you can call me stupid, but again you have no idea what went on, or whats currently going on...

You should really get off your high horse. I've grown up, you know stopped holding grudges against e-people. If you been waiting all your ap-life to find a legitimate excuses to attack me and make me look like a twat, well done you've done it. Happy? lets move on now...

Anyways a week on and theirs a different kind of mood emerging.
Today in France, the French are protesting outside the British embassy in support of the protesters from last week..

The 24th Nov also proves to big date with a walkout planned across many educational insituations..

The students have always led the way in the past and slowly people are starting to wake up...

**shelim** · 18-11-2010, 20:52

High Horse? what high horse & where you pluck that out from... I posted something I saw... I couldn't care who got arrested and for what reason, I simply read the article and posted what I saw END OF...

Little girl I have far more important things to do on a day-to-day basis which is away from AP. I don't hold grudges against anyone on AP, its either i get on with people or i don't and the people I don't get on with I stay away from and those people have left AP a long long time ago...

LOL at attack you, if I wanted to say anything about you I would have no problem saying it at all. So the whole legitimate reason for attack is coming straight out your ass...

From what I read there was breach of the Tory Building which was the reason to some of the arrests...

Anyway you have had your picture removed which you wanted...

Bye

**Rab C Nesbit** · 18-11-2010, 23:30

Lol.
Shelim, you're more of an arse than I am to my sisters.

Cheeky, chin up.
...and to be fair to Shelim, your parents aren't going to fart around on AP, are they?
How's the essay going?

**Cheeky_Princess** · 19-11-2010, 01:19

yeah rab..
But thing is, i've had small world encounters on forums a lot,
so i'd rather it not be on many other places where anyone including extended fam could see and go report back. Paranoid? very!

It's nearly there done 600 words, another 400, been given weekend so will be ok

**Kayz** · 24-11-2010, 15:06

Moving on swiftly...

It's a shame im stuck here at work and not at the demo...

Already seeing a few taking out a police van.. I wonder what the rest of the evening holds.. hope we dont get fools like that geert wilders lookalike throwing a fire extinguisher.

**MojoJojo** · 24-11-2010, 22:14

Took me ages to get home, but I'm in favour of the protests.

Clegg should of known the consequences, I mean how can you have the audacity to speak at so many student forums and events and then "compromise" on one of your most popular policies. Students feel cheated. Lib dem supporters feel cheated.

I voted Lib dem as a strategic alternative. Not siding with labour was political suicide.

**MojoJojo** · 24-11-2010, 22:16

Took me ages to get home, but I'm in favour of the protests.

Clegg should of known the consequences, I mean how can you have the audacity to speak at so many student forums and events and then "compromise" on one of your most popular policies. Students feel cheated. Lib dem supporters feel cheated.

I voted Lib dem as a strategic alternative. Not siding with labour was political suicide.

Viva la Revolución

**MojoJojo** · 24-11-2010, 22:18

Damn iPhone, can someone delete my first post and this lol.

**Cheeky_Princess** · 25-11-2010, 01:37

I watched everything unfold on telly oh it was painful

Many people including guardian journalists are questioning why that police van was empty, old, rusty and abdoned in the middle of the route.
The fact they stopped students going on the planned route obvs led to frustration and that led to the obvious target the police van.. I'd say they were being clever, which gave them a reason to then kettel the students for 8 hours..
This time round it was not just students but school kids!
My friends got out of the kettel at about 9:30pm
They had seen school kids get hit by batons.. a lot of them not doing anything.
A lot of them just wanted to go home, but if you keep them in an open prison for so long, it leads to anger and that leads to violence, hence i was not surprised that when some got out they kicked a few windows etc in traf square..
Last time they were too laid back, this time to harsh, i hope next time they get it right before someone dies like they did i g20 protests.

**Maya** · 02-12-2010, 15:05

The conservatives destroyed this country back in the 80's and history is starting to repeat itself.

I have limited sympathy for the people who voted in this government. Talk about being naive.

Whether you like it or not, protesting is not going to change these policies.

**Zero** · 02-12-2010, 15:23

I agree to that.

However, I'm still skeptical about the point of Conservatives destroying this country.
Labour were the ones that brought in "top-up fees" for uni and we hear them complaining about it now? They were the ones that brought it in, in the first place! If it was Labour in power now, I'm pretty sure they would've done the same, raise tuition fees!

Students are going crazy now about OH protest, OH riot, OH change. LOL. Do you know how long this uni fee malarky was going on? When I was in sixthform, there were talks of tuition fees being raised to £10,000. THAT was when Labour had the government. No doubt if they still were, they would've raised it. In the end it's a big joke. They do what they want. They WANT people to protest and they allow it. So they have some population "satisfied" that they're trying to make a change. But they still sit back laughing.

Makes you realise now that you ain't just going to uni to "study" because you love the subject. That doesn't happen anymore. You're going to uni to get some basic skills for any career. Ten years ago you wouldn't see subjects offered at university, like they are now. Perhaps theres a correlation with how lax the university system is compared to the type of degrees offered out there. I for one, know that if I'm going to study a degree thats not going to get me anywhere, I better not complain in the end about the price of it, I'd have to pay out of my pocket. Thats pure anti-consumerism right there chaps.

**Zero** · 02-12-2010, 15:35

The two things that I think the conservatives did right back then was her economic policies. Thatcher privatised many national entities, which led to minimum intervention for the government. Which is how it should be. A free market system based on free market laws. Things will balance out by the people and by people's choice. She also cut the power of the trade unions which was a good idea, since the unions had too much power back then with a lot of negative effects on the economy.

John Major ruined everything in the end really lol.

**Cheeky_Princess** · 03-12-2010, 01:02

If you agree on the raise or not
The point is these raise has got nothing to do with economics and money and deficit etc.
First of all there pulling funding from the arts and humanities, subjects that allow you to think outside the box, explore theory, its rich and amazing but what it does it create alternative views of thinkings, one that does not stick to the norm but challenges it.. so its ideolgical they don't want peole to have the knowlege to question the norm.
Why are the young having to pay for a crisis they did not cause? David Cam goes on about not giving the defcit to our next generation, yet it seems to be fine to burden people with personal debt, but the funny thing is, goverement won't save money in the longterm but actually lose out BBC News - University fees reforms 'will not save money'
Fail Again..
Why do are the rich being allowed to avoid taxes (including vodophone)?
Cuz The conservatives are not about "fairness" but its all about "money, job losses and money for the bosses" Keep the rich, rich and the poor poor.
Why don't all these MPs offer to pay the proposed fees back? They got the dosh do it, lead by example and all that, oh wait they had free education, its fine they can pull the ladder up..

I also hate how patronising clegg is being, we know the full proposals, and they are very clever, we know we won't pay upfront but we also know that people will prob choose not to go, oh and the argument about widening partcipation for part time students? Part-time students may be deterred by tuition fees move, report says | Education | The Guardian
Fail again..

Chances are the cap will be raised, it's very tight. The cable said he may abstin (and that won't do anything and favour for us) but for someone proposing saying he may not vote for the sake of unity, exposes again..

The point is, yes we got a market on everything when you start to marketise education that is the end of it. Education is not a market, we are not consumers.
Time and time again i've pointed out i know i won't walk into a job stright after uni but the knowlege i've gained has been amazing.

Something i wrote for the evening standerd student blog:
"
Higher education was a social good but now its worth is measured by your future salary. So students will be forced to make decisions on what will get them a job rather then learning about something that interests them. For people who want to learn about the humanities and arts, the state funding cut means they could be charged very high prices — so in the end the degree becomes accessible to only the "rich/elite" students who can probably afford the tuition fee up front and won’t even have to pay interest.
We would be taking a step backwards rather than widening participation for minority or poor students. Rather then making the best institutions accessible to everyone, we’d be further dividing ourselves. Yes, we can have scholarships, bursaries, grants to help these students get into the best, but it is not as simple as that: the high amount of debt may just mean the experience of learning something you enjoy may be best had on Google instead."

Zero, your right why were people not on the streets when labour did that,
a) the people on the streets now, were all little kids
b) So we should blame that generation that didn't but there were protests done, but its forgotten why? cuz it was your usual a to b march. People forget that? Millbank, they won't..
c) truth is, its easy for people to get angry about "the nasty party" then "working class friendly (which they are not) Labour..

I can go, on and on and on..
If we win on Thursday it will be historic! Chances are we prob won't but we've exposed how flawed the plans are, the reason they've been reseached so indept is cuz of the students on the street..
IF it does go through the fight don't end there though, theres funding still to save, and EMA.

The current system aint working, but the proposed system will just rip it apart. Time is needed to explore other ways.
Holy shit thats a lot i wrote, my passion is in writing at the moment as i can't hit the streets!

**MojoJojo** · 03-12-2010, 23:50

Arts and Humanities let you think outside of the box? Give me a break. I'd rather have a masters in philosophy to do that.

To be honest there is alot of Micky mouse degrees out there and alot fall under Media/Humanities and Art. There is also lack of guidance to students at the colleage level on potential career paths.

A Degree is not necessary to find work these days as some will tell you on this forum. What their doing is right, but the way they are doing it is wrong. Perhaps they need to reform the entire system as a whole rather than going straight to the tuition fees first - as it stands its total shyte.