this is why muslims get smacked around...

[DJ Popz]

Ok so let me get this right (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Hijaab = Headscarf
Nikaab = Veil that covers your face and only has slits for the eyes
Jilbab = Gown

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Not quite, Nikaab and Jilbaab you have understood correctly, but Hijaab is not one piece of clothing as such. Hijaab in its literal arabic meaning means 'cover'. So in this sense it would mean clothing to preserve modesty. So you could say Nikaab + Jilbaab + Headscarf = Hijaab because you are covering the required areas of the body by the islamic law, Having said that different Islamic schools of thought have different interpretations of the hijaab i.e. one school of though would interpret it as compulsory for women to wear the niqaab along with all the other coverings of the body as the hijaab whereas another school of thought interprets it as not compulsory for the women to wear the niqaab for hijaab to be fulfilled. However that doesn't mean to say that one is correct and the other is incorrect. They are both correct depending on which scholl of thought is being followed.

One has to understand that there are different schools of thought within the religion of Islam and none is necessairly correct or incorrect or better than the other.

what exactly is the reason for women being required to cover their hair? just curious

To answer your question True Story have a read of the following:

The Qur'an instructs Muslims to dress in a modest way. The following verses are generally interpreted as applying to all Muslim men and women.
The 31st verse of Surah(Chapter) an-Nur states,

“And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings (khimars) over their bosoms (jaybs), and not display their ornaments except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss." (Qur'an 24:31)


In the following verse, Muslim women are asked to draw their jilbaab over them (when they go out), as a measure to distinguish themselves from others, so that they are not harassed.

The 59th verse of Surah(chapter) al-Ahzab says,
“Those who harass believing men and believing women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a grievous sin. O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) That is most convenient, that they may be distinguished and not be harassed. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 33:58-59)

[Scrooge]

Welcome to the West. You have to follow the dress code that your employer issues out to you. I have a dress code where I work, I don't like it but I don't complain. When in Rome..

In some muslim countries I wouldn't get away with some of the stuff that I wear. I wouldn't get away with wearing shorts and a t shirt on a hot summer's day. I'd be arrested whilst taking the dog for a walk.

yes well this country promotes, 'freedom of beliefs' it doesnt necesarily go by it, but yeh, its part of the so called democratic process. so within a person beliefs, they are allowed to wear what is deemed sacred to them. just like sikhs who wear turbans, other people have to wear a helmets when riding a motorcycle or working on a construction site, but sikhs are exempt from that, due to religious purposes.

u should read up on what the country promotes, might give u a better understanding of the things that happen around u.

the bit highlighted, clearly shows your stupidity and ignorance. when i go back to pakistan ( a muslim country) i walk around in t-shirts and shorts, aslong as they cover my navel and go past my knees, its all good. alot of muslims on here would say the same thing, so your point holds no weight, go back to reading the sun or daily mail for your source of information.

[Lancashire]

yes well this country promotes, 'freedom of beliefs' it doesnt necesarily go by it, but yeh, its part of the so called democratic process. so within a person beliefs, they are allowed to wear what is deemed sacred to them. just like sikhs who wear turbans, other people have to wear a helmets when riding a motorcycle or working on a construction site, but sikhs are exempt from that, due to religious purposes.

u should read up on what the country promotes, might give u a better understanding of the things that happen around u.

the bit highlighted, clearly shows your stupidity and ignorance. when i go back to pakistan ( a muslim country) i walk around in t-shirts and shorts, aslong as they cover my navel and go past my knees, its all good. alot of muslims on here would say the same thing, so your point holds no weight, go back to reading the sun or daily mail for your source of information.

This country promotes equality and freedom of choice but it doesn't promote having the piss taken out of British culture, British people and the British taxpayer. If this woman doesn't like the rules, go elsewhere. If she doesn't like our culture then get out of this country. These people need to stop taking the piss out of us.

[diva2620]

what a tit

[Zero]

How is wearing a veil related to "piss being taken"?

I thought stuff like racist ideas, hate comments against any religions, fascist politicians and the racism against the majority of the asians and blacks in the 70's up till now (with nothing done about it I may add) is more piss taking than wearing an item of clothing due to personal belief.

Media wants us to debate about these things. They encourage us to divide up and to form groups that hate the other. They want us to be seperate and look with distaste at groups of people rather than the humans they are.

Best thing to do is to lol @ this woman, then lol @ the newspaper for makign a hype about such a thing and to lol @ the people who form ideas about the majority.

[Maya]

This country promotes equality and freedom of choice but it doesn't promote having the piss taken out of British culture, British people and the British taxpayer. If this woman doesn't like the rules, go elsewhere. If she doesn't like our culture then get out of this country. These people need to stop taking the piss out of us.

So what is your definition of "British culture" and "British people"?

[DJ B4VVY]

Not quite, Nikaab and Jilbaab you have understood correctly, but Hijaab is not one piece of clothing as such. Hijaab in its literal arabic meaning means 'cover'. So in this sense it would mean clothing to preserve modesty. So you could say Nikaab + Jilbaab + Headscarf = Hijaab because you are covering the required areas of the body by the islamic law, Having said that different Islamic schools of thought have different interpretations of the hijaab i.e. one school of though would interpret it as compulsory for women to wear the niqaab along with all the other coverings of the body as the hijaab whereas another school of thought interprets it as not compulsory for the women to wear the niqaab for hijaab to be fulfilled. However that doesn't mean to say that one is correct and the other is incorrect. They are both correct depending on which scholl of thought is being followed.

One has to understand that there are different schools of thought within the religion of Islam and none is necessairly correct or incorrect or better than the other.

So when my friend calls herself a Hijaabi, is it the correct term for her to use? (She only wears the headscarf)

[MojoJojo]

Lol British culture/people is pretty diluted particularly in multicultural areas such as London.

I can't really comment on it as its too vast, and would probally stem into a dissertation with chapter upon chapter of social digression of the third degree.

Getting back on topic: i have two things to say...

1. People who read the Mail and actually take it seriously need to be locked up for being a bunch of fanny's (excuse my french). The Sun...The Mail... maybe if i was Dave the builder, or Jamal (lets be politically correct ).

* NB The Sun is good for the SPORT pages and thats it!

2. They write these stories in the papers weekly, there has been many qualitative reports of people being taken out of context.

3..... Ok one more point, To be fair the dress is abit tatty and nasty - most of the girls i know, and people who have commented have also renforced this point, especially being in Mayfair (Stush area), but i hear AFC Flyde if my employee wasn't going to wear the uniform they'd be out the door.

4. This is such a trivial matter, and people are making an elephant out of a mouse. Before you say its a waste of tax payers money - why don't they lessen they're defence budget and tackle the real terrorists like the kids running round with knifes stabbing and shooting everyone!

[Scrooge]

This country promotes equality and freedom of choice but it doesn't promote having the piss taken out of British culture, British people and the British taxpayer. If this woman doesn't like the rules, go elsewhere. If she doesn't like our culture then get out of this country. These people need to stop taking the piss out of us.

cut the crap, what equality? where do u see equality? just coz a woman can vote or have a job. equality, in a society where a woman is seen as a sexual object?

ok freedom of choice... il make it pretty simple for u, if freedom of choice existed, then why cant a person wear a religious item they want to wear, its there choice... why are the government trying to curb its way round freedom of choice.
thers limitations on your so called freedoms, u dont have the freedom to do anything, its all limited.

i pay my taxes, near enough every working person pays there taxes, its hard to avoid it, so no one is takin the piss out of the tax payer. maybe u should look to the countries policy makers, they dont like it when people speak out in this country, when they are doing wrong. who the hell gives them the right to tell others what to do in other countries (namely iraq and afghanistan).

take your own advice, tell the british government to get there backsides out of iraq and afghanistan, coz no one wants them there, certainly the iraqis and afghanis dont want them. hypocrites.

[DJ Popz]

So when my friend calls herself a Hijaabi, is it the correct term for her to use? (She only wears the headscarf)

Well some people are not aware that hijaab means to cover and not the headscarf itself, yes the headscarf is part of the hijaab but not it itself. The reason why she would call herself a hijaabi is because the headscarf completes her hijaab when she puts it on assuming she covers the rest of her body appropriately (i.e. not with body hugging/ tight-fitting clothes).

If she was to wear the headscarf and then be wearing tight jeans or tight tops so that her body shape or contours can be seen, or even the clothes that she wears are very attractive that it grabs the attention of the opposite sex then that nullifies the hijaab even though she may have the headscarf on. As the whole point of the hijaab is to preserve modesty as well as not to attract attention and hassle from the opposite sex exept from the people who are exempt (husband, brothers, fathers etc)

Hope that made sense.

[DJ B4VVY]

Nah she doesn't wear tight clothes, just fitted but she does wear sparkly scarves sometimes! And a bit of eye make-up the days she can't read. She's not as bad as some other girls I've seen who plaster their face with make-up, wear bright coloured scarves, tight jeans and tops and bright stilhettos! I guess some parents think it's ok aslong as they're wearing the headscarf because I've seen a few of them come in with their parents looking like that! But each to their own I guess.

[Zero]

Nah she doesn't wear tight clothes, just fitted but she does wear sparkly scarves sometimes! And a bit of eye make-up the days she can't read. She's not as bad as some other girls I've seen who plaster their face with make-up, wear bright coloured scarves, tight jeans and tops and bright stilhettos! I guess some parents think it's ok aslong as they're wearing the headscarf because I've seen a few of them come in with their parents looking like that! But each to their own I guess.

Yeh a lot of girls do that. As T said, the whole point is not just to cover but not attract attention, wether wanted or unwanted. People like to pick and choose what suits them. We're humans after all, but that doesn't mean its right (in terms of religion).

[mani]

i gotta say

its good to see a good proper debate about such issues without resorting to childish name calling etc

end of the day - if you go to a STATE school - u do as the state says - thats one of the things you give up for the PRIVILEDGE of free education. if they say you wear this then you wear it. if there's a valid objection generally a school will accomodate that. in the case i was referring to there was clothing already present which was deemed suitable for muslim girls to wear. they've had that policy for years and it was suitable for them. does taht mean those girls were any less religious than the one that objected?

back in 2004 it was back to the walls kinda stuff amongst alot of radical muslims as they were realy being watched and this suited their agenda to a tee. to show other muslims look they dont let our girls wear a jibab. of course they didnt say that they allowed the girls to wear a hijab and salwar kameez either.

the same applies for christians sikhs hindu's etc. if a kid wants to carry a kirpan i'm sure the school will be willing to accomodate that in some shape but if he comes in sayin i want it on full display and i want it to be the foot long one then come on thats a bit too much.

we should despite being taxpayers not take such things for granted that we're automatically eligible to push as much as we want.

back when i was at school i was in a predominantly white school and they used to take us to mass at easter adn eat that white biscuit thing. we didnt question it we just did it. it didnt mean that suddenly i was a christian or that i was any less of a muslim. course now they give the non-christians the option of stepping up to the front if they want to.

if someone gives you a few inches to breathe easier you dont start going on about wanting a few miles.

this reminds me of the worker at sainsbury's who wanted to take them to court as they wouldnt let him change dept's after 6 months of working there he realised sainsbury's sold booze. apparently he'd been in asda, tesco, aldi etc and saw that they sold booze and yet never been inside a sainsbury's. needless to say his case was thrown straight out.