religious by choice or chance?

**Guji-Ji** · 15-11-2009, 20:06

Originally Posted by AngelofKlues

it's not complusory its Wajib just one step behind Farz, but i know that if a guy dons't have a beard then he is sinful because it diffrenciates him from other faiths.....

Well if he's sinful that means he has no choice(which means it's compulsory)... right?

**AngelofKlues** · 15-11-2009, 20:15

Originally Posted by Guji-Ji

Well if he's sinful that means he has no choice(which means it's compulsory)... right?

Yeah but i think it's just a choice thing which if you don't do you will be sinful in the end but can always repent and be forgiven cuz it's Wajib but if it was Farz then he would be kinda comminting Shirk i think lol i don not know all i know it's not Farz just Wajib....i think it's like Haraam and Mukruh i mean if you eat Mukruh stuff long enough then it becomes Haraam on you so maybe if you don't have a beard long enough maybe it becomes Farz on you because you have been refusing to grow one for too long.....

**Guji-Ji** · 15-11-2009, 20:19

Originally Posted by AngelofKlues

Yeah but i think it's just a choice thing which if you don't do you will be sinful in the end but can always repent and be forgiven cuz it's Wajib but if it was Farz then he would be kinda comminting Shirk i think lol i don not know all i know it's not Farz just Wajib....i think it's like Haraam and Mukruh i mean if you eat Mukruh stuff long enough then it becomes Haraam on you so maybe if you don't have a beard long enough maybe it becomes Farz on you because you have been refusing to grow one for too long.....

You're getting confused. Not doing a Farz doesn't mean you're committing shirk. For example praying is a farz, but it doesn't mean you're committing shirk...

The point is it is compulsory and there is no 'choice' as you have mentioned.

**Zero** · 15-11-2009, 20:29

Wajib isn't compulsory. And it depends on the school of thought as well.

**AngelofKlues** · 15-11-2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by Guji-Ji

You're getting confused. Not doing a Farz doesn't mean you're committing shirk. For example praying is a farz, but it doesn't mean you're committing shirk...

The point is it is compulsory and there is no 'choice' as you have mentioned.

OooOoo i thought if you don't do a Farz thing then you is doing Shirk, i see some bedtime reading coming my way...

is it well you might be right i ain't gona argue it cuz i ain't sure of this myslef but all i can say is Thank God i ain't a guy i hate beards Yuk....

**Scrooge** · 16-11-2009, 12:34

Not doing a Fard action is sinful and is haraam.
Shirk is following/worshipping something/someone else besides Allah swt, some people maybe committing shirk without knowing.

**Rab C Nesbit** · 16-11-2009, 14:13

Where's the "by force" option?

**Madly Blooming** · 16-11-2009, 17:49

closest thing would be "chance - indifferent to it all"
woops! explain?

**KillingJoke** · 04-01-2010, 03:21

People are born into religion by chance by the time you even think logically about religion and it's to late,, because you've been brought up to be a muslim/sikh/hindu/jew you think thats correct. Obviously this isn't the case for all people.